Russia's involvement in US Civil War

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What role did Russia play in the U.S. Civil War?

So, the Union "colluded" with the Russians back then :D Who knew?

Actually, many historians in Russia are, at least. Some of them think it was a mistake too. Should have supported the Confederates instead, split America at least. Russia would probably at least dominate Europe today, without United America to worry about ;)
"Some" say the U.S. is headed for another civil war in the next 10-15 years. If that were to occur I would not expect it to happen without both Russia and China "helping" one side or another.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/is-america-headed-for-a-new-kind-of-civil-war
 

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#22
"Some" say the U.S. is headed for another civil war in the next 10-15 years. If that were to occur I would not expect it to happen without both Russia and China "helping" one side or another.

Is America Headed for a New Kind of Civil War? | The New Yorker
Thats the plan.. it's in the playbook written decades ago thats being read at the highest levels of the Russian government.


"The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia" is a geopolitical book by Aleksandr Dugin. The book has had a large influence within the Russian military, police, and foreign policy elites and is used as a textbook in the General Staff Academy of Russian military.

The book declares that "the battle for the world rule of [ethnic] Russians" has not ended and Russia remains "the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution." The Eurasian Empire will be constructed "on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us."


Dugin's book has a whole laundry list of how Russia should deal with other countries..

Re United States: The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main ‘scapegoat’ will be precisely the U.S. "Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."
http://politicalhotwire.com/world-politics/101635-putin%92s-eurasianism-4.html
 
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Jul 2011
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Tell you what, you guys keep using the specific term "unfair trade WITH the north." Give me a few of the most troublesome examples of exactly what you refer to.
And remember, these are reasons the south thought worth going to WAR over, killing hundreds of thousands people over.
So let's hear them.
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Well? I'm waiting for those examples.
 
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Interesting perspective, just goes to demonstrate, that the war had different meanings to those who participated. Very few who actually faught, owned slaves, most were fighting for independence from unfair trade with the north.
The double tax of the South. The affected were non-slave owning southern merchants. This started with the Tariff of Abominations in 1828 and culminated in the late 1850s.
 
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Tell you what, you guys keep using the specific term "unfair trade WITH the north." Give me a few of the most troublesome examples of exactly what you refer to.
And remember, these are reasons the south thought worth going to WAR over, killing hundreds of thousands people over.
So let's hear them.
OK, you really need ME to point this out because your computer is broken? Just look it up, but keep an opened mind. Great Kathula's ghost, YOU'RE FUCKING KIDDING, RIGHT???
 
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In 1828, northern politicians forced the south to buy goods from the north by passing federal laws that placed high taxes on goods imported from Europe.

This angered many southerners, according to the book “Causes of the Civil War: Differences Between the North and the South”:

“The Tariff of 1828 was almost more than [Vice President John C.] Calhoun and many other southerners could tolerate. The tariff was raised on imported textiles, manufactured goods, and a variety of raw materials produced in the West. The new tariffs were as high as 50 percent on some items. The south believed it saw no direct benefit from the tariff. The only items protected by the tariff were items the south did not produce. Because tariffs allowed domestic producers to charge more for their products, southerners understandably felt cheated. They believed the Tariff of 1828 was outrageous, calling it the “Tariff of Abominations.”
A debate raged on about the tariff for a few years until another tariff was passed in 1832 that increased taxes on manufactured cloth and iron, further enraging southerners.

South Carolina threatened to seceed but changed its mind when Calhoun suggested nullification. The state legislature agreed and nullified the tariff.

The federal government viewed nullification as treasonous and responded with a “force bill” that allowed the president to use Navy and Army power to enforce Congressional acts.

The Causes of the Civil War ? Civil War Saga
 
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OK, you really need ME to point this out because your computer is broken? Just look it up, but keep an opened mind. Great Kathula's ghost, YOU'RE FUCKING KIDDING, RIGHT???
Yes I do. YOU made the claim so YOU back it up with historical fact.
Notice I said HISTORICAL FACT, finding someone on the world wide internet that happens to agree with you is not all that difficult.

Carry on.
 
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In 1828, northern politicians forced the south to buy goods from the north by passing federal laws that placed high taxes on goods imported from Europe.

This angered many southerners, according to the book “Causes of the Civil War: Differences Between the North and the South”:

“The Tariff of 1828 was almost more than [Vice President John C.] Calhoun and many other southerners could tolerate. The tariff was raised on imported textiles, manufactured goods, and a variety of raw materials produced in the West. The new tariffs were as high as 50 percent on some items. The south believed it saw no direct benefit from the tariff. The only items protected by the tariff were items the south did not produce. Because tariffs allowed domestic producers to charge more for their products, southerners understandably felt cheated. They believed the Tariff of 1828 was outrageous, calling it the “Tariff of Abominations.”
A debate raged on about the tariff for a few years until another tariff was passed in 1832 that increased taxes on manufactured cloth and iron, further enraging southerners.

South Carolina threatened to seceed but changed its mind when Calhoun suggested nullification. The state legislature agreed and nullified the tariff.

The federal government viewed nullification as treasonous and responded with a “force bill” that allowed the president to use Navy and Army power to enforce Congressional acts.

The Causes of the Civil War ? Civil War Saga
Oh, so if the current administration put high import taxes on Toyotas, or any other product(s), made in Japan and "forced" American to buy more expensive cars made in the U.S. that would really anger Americans? Enough to go to war?

Were there no southern capitalists bright enough to put up factories in the south making those goods? OR did they simply not want to invest the capital in factories when they could use that capital on more profitable plantations that depended on slavery?
You understand that the huge textile industry in England depended on U.S. cotton, right?