"Secret jails", "torture" in Ukraine

The Man

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Ukraine’s spy agency, the SBU, is systematically rounding up and torturing suspected rebel sympathisers, the United Nations has told The Times.

Ivan Simonovic, UN assistant secretary-general for human rights, said that in some areas Kiev’s “disregard for human rights” had become entrenched and systemic and needed to be urgently addressed.

The UN report documents hundreds of cases of illegal detention, torture and ill-treatment of detainees — both by pro-Russian armed groups and by government agencies.

It draws attention to prisoner abuse and murders by pro-Russian rebel groups, but also exposes the scale and brutality of Ukraine’s government-backed torture programme.
Kiev allows torture and runs secret jails, says UN | | The Times & The Sunday Times

Well, the fact is, the Ukrainian SBU


Russian FSB


As well as the MGB secret police of the DNR and LNR


All are run, at the top, by old KGB veterans. Same school, across the board. Same aproaches and tactics.

That's what Obama and other Western leaders don't get. There truly aren't any nice guys over there :smiley-shrug:
 
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Libertine

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Kiev allows torture and runs secret jails, says UN | | The Times & The Sunday Times

Well, the fact is, the Ukrainian SBU


Russian FSB


As well as the MGB secret police of the DNR and LNR


All are run, at the top, by old KGB veterans. Same school, across the board. Same aproaches and tactics.

That's what Obama and other Western leaders don't get. There truly aren't any nice guys over there :smiley-shrug:
They have one of those in Obama's home town. Obama's Chief of Staff is now the Mayor there.

The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site' | US news | The Guardian

The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site.

Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include:

Keeping arrestees out of official booking databases.
Beating by police, resulting in head wounds.
Shackling for prolonged periods.
Denying attorneys access to the “secure” facility.
Holding people without legal counsel for between 12 and 24 hours, including people as young as 15.

At least one man was found unresponsive in a Homan Square “interview room” and later pronounced dead.
 
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That's horrible, But we also have secret jails where people are tortured here in the US.

For nearly two decades, when Chicago’s police brought people under arrest to their detentions and interrogations warehouse, not even the vast majority of the police force knew where they were, according to an internal memo acquired by the Guardian.

Homan Square, a warehouse complex headquartering narcotics, vice and intelligence units for the Chicago police, has also served as a secretive facility for detaining and interrogating thousands of people without providing access to attorneys and with little way for their loved ones to find them. Records documenting the presence of someone at Homan Square, especially while they are there, have existed largely outside Chicago police’s electronic records system.

Now, documents and evidence from senior officers have for the first time disclosed detailed official accounts of how police based at the unit were able to operate – and how it was almost impossible to tell who was being held inside.

Depositions of senior officers, memorandums for the current police chief and other internal police records portray Chicago police procedures and record-keeping that obscured visibility into Homan Square’s apparatus of detentions, both to the public and even to police themselves.

The records and supporting testimony portray a complicated system of documentation that helps explain how Chicago police, particularly from the bureau of organized crime, could use their headquarters for incommunicado detentions and interrogations without attracting significant public notice.

Interrogations are the purpose of the incommunicado detentions, the police depositions indicate. In practice, police leverage an arrestee’s inability to notify relatives or lawyers about their whereabouts – a perilous position, from a civil rights perspective – to generate information about guns or drugs on Chicago’s streets.

Over a year into the Guardian’s ongoing exposé of what happened inside Homan Square, it appears that police have recently changed their logging procedures there.

“Prior to 2016, the only electronic record that could determine with any certainty that an individual was at the Homan Square facility is via the Arrestee Movement records in the Automated Arrest Application,” Randolph Nichols, a senior officer in the Chicago police research department, wrote to acting superintendent John J Escalante in an 11 March memo about the Guardian’s freedom of information lawsuit into Homan Square.

In a possible indication of changes to the logging system, Nichols told the Guardian in a September deposition that the police “actually just created a unit the other day for Homan Square arrest processing”. The Chicago police did not respond to a detailed list of questions before publication.

According to records the Guardian’s lawsuit has compelled the police to disclose, the arrestee movement records, which detail police moving a detainee from a regular police station to Homan Square and back, are a small fraction of Homan Square arrests.

The digitized records show 275 arrests between 2004 and mid-2015 that, by Nichols’ explanation, would have been accessible to police outside the warehouse – however unavailable to the public. Those 275 arrests represent less than 4% of the 7,351 arrests at Homan Square during that time period thus far disclosed.

Asked how a member of the public can find anyone held at Homan Square while police hold them there, a senior police official said in sworn deposition: “I don’t know that you can contemporaneously.”

*Snip*
The hidden: how Chicago police kept thousands isolated at Homan Square | US news | The Guardian

And I 100% guarantee you, this did not happen only in Chicago. It probably happens in every US city, big and small, with a bad cop shop -- and that is thousands of such places.
 
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That's what Obama and other Western leaders don't get. There truly aren't any nice guys over there
the western leaders are too busy trying to cover up it's involvement in Bush's world wide network of torture camps, and Obama has yet to close any of Bush's camps...
 
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Kiev allows torture and runs secret jails, says UN | | The Times & The Sunday Times

Well, the fact is, the Ukrainian SBU


Russian FSB


As well as the MGB secret police of the DNR and LNR


All are run, at the top, by old KGB veterans. Same school, across the board. Same aproaches and tactics.

That's what Obama and other Western leaders don't get. There truly aren't any nice guys over there :smiley-shrug:
As an American, I can't take the moral high ground, so instead I'll laugh at their stupidity for getting caught red-handed. Guess those jails are not so secret now.
 
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