Senate Republicans prepared to kill special Russia hacking probe.

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Just two weeks ago, four prominent U.S. senators – two Democrats and two Republicans – issued a joint call for a special select committee to investigate allegations that Russia interfered with the U.S. presidential election. The effort, launched by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), and Jack Reed (D-R.I.), seemed to increase the pressure on the GOP leadership to take the scandal seriously.

A day later, Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), hardly a moderate, announced a plan of his own to introduce legislation that would create a select committee on cybersecurity, which would tackle, among other things, the suspected Russian espionage operation.

Two weeks later, Politico reports that those efforts, which appeared to be gaining momentum, are now effectively dead.
McCain said he’d spoken to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) about the matter. McConnell prefers to use the Intelligence Committee to spearhead the cyber investigation, and McCain said their discussions had done little to move the GOP leader. “He said he doesn’t think we need it,” McCain said.
Senate Republicans prepared to kill special Russia hacking probe | MSNBC

Mitch "turtle face" McConnell is getting on my last nerve. Guess Trump appointing his wife to run the Dept of Transportation has it's benefits. But hey, if the Republican's really think they can kill this probe and not suffer any political fall out - we'll just have to see - won't we? Last I checked it was something the majority of American's wanted. That's never stopped them before though. The same people they screw over keep putting them back in office and now they have been given the WH a a prize for their obstructionism. What reason would they have for caring what the will of the people is?
 
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Think Mitch is trying to squash what is coming. This story is not going away. Trump picking Elaine Chao clear move to get Mitch loyal.
 
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Stupidity. If they just pretended to investigate it and put out statements like "Oh yeah, that's a concern, we're on top of it" the issue would eventually die. These conscious efforts to hamper legislative inquiries and assault the credibility of the intel community — especially lay the groundwork for a structural reorganization of the CIA et al that will put them under more immediate political management — will create a persistent cost no administration should want to deal with. And it's all because the president elect considers it a point of pride to have a friendly relationship with Russia, and specifically its leader, no one else has. Strange, strange world.
 
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Stupidity. If they just pretended to investigate it and put out statements like "Oh yeah, that's a concern, we're on top of it" the issue would eventually die. These conscious efforts to hamper legislative inquiries and assault the credibility of the intel community — especially lay the groundwork for a structural reorganization of the CIA et al that will put them under more immediate political management — will create a persistent cost no administration should want to deal with. And it's all because the president elect considers it a point of pride to have a friendly relationship with Russia, and specifically its leader, no one else has. Strange, strange world.
for the next four years journalist are going to have to practice not frowning when they report on Trump in the mirror. Yeah, I got jokes. But, this is actually kinda scary. Trump clearly has no clue what he's doing. The man ran on the fact that he wasn't a politician. He should recognize that he's out of his depth when it comes to the intelligence community. This isn't real estate development. People like Trump are the very reason these agencies are independent. No president should be meddling around with how they operate to suit their own agenda. Yet Trump boldly announces he intends to because he think they are too politicized. Of course, and you're right. This is going to blow up in his face but fast
 
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for the next four years journalist are going to have to practice not frowning when they report on Trump in the mirror. Yeah, I got jokes. But, this is actually kinda scary. Trump clearly has no clue what he's doing. The man ran on the fact that he wasn't a politician. He should recognize that he's out of his depth when it comes to the intelligence community. This isn't real estate development. People like Trump are the very reason these agencies are independent. No president should be meddling around with how they operate to suit their own agenda. Of course, and you're right. This is going to blow up in his face but fast
That's just it. Trump isn't Nixon, capable of plots within plots. Between him and the people he's got working for him, when it comes to seizing practical control of the state, they couldn't poor piss out of a boot without printed instructions. Everything they are doing — from trying to put their feet up the Senate's ass, to "reorganizing" the CIA, to creating public witch-hunt lists of bureaucrats who worked on programs they don't like — violate long-established norms that have institutional defenses. Those defenses are not insurmountable, but a president will have to focus all his time and energy on them and hobble any forward-thinking agenda he might have. Trump is trying to run the state from Day 1 like the chief executive of a private corporation, and it's just not going to end well for him.
 
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That's just it. Trump isn't Nixon, capable of plots within plots. Between him and the people he's got working for him, when it comes to seizing practical control of the state, they couldn't poor piss out of a boot without printed instructions. Everything they are doing — from trying to put their feet up the Senate's ass, to "reorganizing" the CIA, to creating public witch-hunt lists of bureaucrats who worked on programs they don't like — violate long-established norms that have institutional defenses. Those defenses are not insurmountable, but a president will have to focus all his time and energy on them and hobble any forward-thinking agenda he might have. Trump is trying to run the state from Day 1 like the chief executive of a private corporation, and it's just not going to end well for him.
actually, that's an excellent choice for an example. Nixon was an intellectual and he knew politics in and out. Yet Frost was able to trip him up because of his ego. When it comes to politics Trump is a novice that only won because of a comedy of errors. He's not an intellectual by even the most generous standards. In fact, by all indications he has the mentality of a 5 year old. He'll be going up against an intelligence community that's a hell of a lot more sophisticate than Nixon's time. Yet, he's already fomenting political enemies before even taking office. It's not just going to end badly for him. He's going to take a few politician out as well before this is over. Most notably, politicians like turtle boy and Paul Ryan - who think they've got an easy mark with Trump.
 
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for the next four years journalist are going to have to practice not frowning when they report on Trump in the mirror. Yeah, I got jokes. But, this is actually kinda scary. Trump clearly has no clue what he's doing. The man ran on the fact that he wasn't a politician. He should recognize that he's out of his depth when it comes to the intelligence community. This isn't real estate development. People like Trump are the very reason these agencies are independent. No president should be meddling around with how they operate to suit their own agenda. Yet Trump boldly announces he intends to because he think they are too politicized. Of course, and you're right. This is going to blow up in his face but fast
Why are you guys so afraid of intelligence agencies?

You do realize that their boss is going to be Trump yet you don't want him to run them.

Its like saying a new president of a company shouldn't make any changes to the company if there are problems.

Absolutely ridiculous.

Do you remember how Obama purged the military of leadership? I didn't hear the left whining then.
 

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Why are you guys so afraid of intelligence agencies?

You do realize that their boss is going to be Trump yet you don't want him to run them.

Its like saying a new president of a company shouldn't make any changes to the company if there are problems.

Absolutely ridiculous.

Do you remember how Obama purged the military of leadership? I didn't hear the left whining then.
Selecting new leaders is a standard presidential prerogative. Structurally reorganizing the intelligence agencies so as to put them under tighter White House control — especially in the wake of a specific finding that the president didn't like — is unprecedented. It is, at best, a careless mistake that makes it more difficult for our agents in the field and the analysts at home to provide the sort of BAD NEWS they absolutely must supply when the need arises. If they are worried about their jobs or worse because unfavorable information will be seen as "politicized," that constitutes direct national security harm. What it quite plainly is, is an attempt to communicate directly to those very people that if it's bad and it's about Russia, Trump does not want to hear it.
 
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Selecting new leaders is a standard presidential prerogative. Structurally reorganizing the intelligence agencies so as to put them under tighter White House control — especially in the wake of a specific finding that the president didn't like — is unprecedented. It is, at best, a careless mistake that makes it more difficult for our agents in the field and the analysts at home to provide the sort of BAD NEWS they absolutely must supply when the need arises. If they are worried about their jobs or worse because unfavorable information will be seen as "politicized," that constitutes direct national security harm. What it quite plainly is, is an attempt to communicate directly to those very people that if it's bad and it's about Russia, Trump does not want to hear it.
So tell us the specifics of Trumps plan since you are so afraid of it.

I will wait.
 

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So tell us the specifics of Trumps plan since you are so afraid of it.

I will wait.
As you know, the specifics are not yet public knowledge. However, the general direction of policy we are pursuing here is not good — it has been made plain that Trump views the Intelligence Community as inherently politicized in a way that can't be corrected by the usual way, putting his own people in charge. He needs to explain why that is. Right now we're just seeing certainly deliberate leaks from his transition team about "politicized" intelligence officers, with no evidence and no other substance.