Serenity Now : No...no..no.. the Mueller Report did NOT clearly state there was "no collusion".

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How about offering us a relevant quote, since you've obviously studied it so thoroughly.
None of them studied anything. Not the OP and not the report. They're just repeating what Billy Barr said. And this explains the responses of low information Trumpies.
 
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Gee, why then did Mueller call it collusion? His failure to indict on collusion had zippo to do with the Justice Dept. policy. Was Manafort, Flynn and others indicted on collusion or your word conspiracy. They do not come under the same policy as the President. Also in regard to the DOJ policy...if a sitting President killed someone, you don't think they would indict?
Oh GOD we've been through this. The only references by Mueller to "COLUUUUUSION" were to say that "COLUUUUUSION" wasn't being investigated because it isn't a thing. Conspiracy is a thing. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
 
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Oh GOD we've been through this. The only references by Mueller to "COLUUUUUSION" were to say that "COLUUUUUSION" wasn't being investigated because it isn't a thing. Conspiracy is a thing. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Show me where it was stated that in the Mueller Report. Do you just make things up? And once again why wasn't Flynn, Manfort, etc, charged with "conspiracy" as you want to call it.
 
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Show me where it was stated that in the Mueller Report. Do you just make things up? And once again why wasn't Flynn, Manfort, etc, charged with "conspiracy" as you want to call it.
You didn't read it - Sad :(

Mueller specifically states in the report that he did not focus on “collusion” because it is not “a term of art in federal criminal law.” Instead, Mueller said he focused on deciding whether the Trump campaign committed conspiracy — a legally defined crime — and on “coordination,” which is not a legal term but which the special counsel defined as “more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests.”

What’s not in the Mueller report

As the investigation unfolded, Democrats and other Trump critics pointed to multiple instances of those contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russia as evidence of “collusion,” a term that Mueller points out in his report has no legal application, but nevertheless colloquially encompasses the kinds of possible violations he examined.

Trump-Russia collusion: What the Mueller report says — and doesn’t say

Need more?

Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion”

1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.
2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.
3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.
4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.
5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advanceDeripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.
6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.
7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.
8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.
9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.
10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.
11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.
12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.
13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.
14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.​
 
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So you, like everyone else, has been thoroughly distracted, discredited, divided, (like everyone else paying attention) with a stupid contrivance
"Progressive" vs. "Libertarian" juvenile, adolescent, food fight that benefits the Elites, The Spy Agencies, and their MSM Dogma outlets ...


while wars rage on, masses of casualties pile up, more Americans are illegally shot to death by rogue domestic Police Squads, mass survelliance
still runs afoul of the law in the American Panopticon National Security State, and the rest of the news swept under the rug ...


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So people don't want to talk about Future Shock events, bogus fake "Grass Roots" political movements like "Black Lives" and "Resist" controlled by the
Democrat Party and other Agencies of the State. That's cool. Whatever.



Hey BManMcFly:

Don't buy one of them cars with the big computer in it ... but just for arguments sake what if AI is so advanced it could control all the sock puppet accounts you're talking to at this website (hypothetically) and what if nobody here was real at all?

Or what if one day ... your car suddenly stopped responding .... for seemingly no reason ...

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Leslie Stahl carefully avoided DARPA’s total dependence on
contractors and obscured its close ties with the surveillance state



Feb 13, 2015

"The segment concluded with Stahl driving a Chevrolet Impala around a giant DARPA parking lot

while an agency technician, guided by an amused Kaufman, hacked into the car’s Guidestar system to

steer, stop and otherwise control the vehicle.


Throughout the experience, Stahl could hardly contain herself.


“I cannot—oh, my God. I can’t operate the brakes at all,” she blurted when DARPA took control. “Oh, my word. That is frightening.”



How Does the Pentagon Keep Fooling Reporters About Its Tech Research Agency?









:eek:

....
I've tried running some Turing tests on our friends, most of them have failed.

I don't know, but it wouldn't be off the table, IMO.
 

the watchman

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Gee, why then did Mueller call it collusion? His failure to indict on collusion had zippo to do with the Justice Dept. policy. Was Manafort, Flynn and others indicted on collusion or your word conspiracy. They do not come under the same policy as the President. Also in regard to the DOJ policy...if a sitting President killed someone, you don't think they would indict?
from the OP...quoting the Mueller report .
.In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.” In so doing, the Office recognized that the word “collude[e]”…has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office’s focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law.
Why do you continue to believe something you've been shown isn't true ?
 

HayJenn

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Gee, why then did Mueller call it collusion? His failure to indict on collusion had zippo to do with the Justice Dept. policy. Was Manafort, Flynn and others indicted on collusion or your word conspiracy. They do not come under the same policy as the President. Also in regard to the DOJ policy...if a sitting President killed someone, you don't think they would indict?
Because again, Mueller never used the word collusion. Again, you would know that if you actually read the Mueller report.

Flynn again pled guilty to lying about his contacts with Russians - which fell under the "conspiracy" (Volume 1) of Mueller's report.
 
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Show me where it was stated that in the Mueller Report. Do you just make things up? And once again why wasn't Flynn, Manfort, etc, charged with "conspiracy" as you want to call it.


Still waiting for you to quote something from the report that backs up your ridiculous claims on this thread...

Don't worry. We'll be here when you find something.
 
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