Shaheen's Obamacare fix: Appoint a committee

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Shaheen's Obamacare fix: Appoint a committee
With the midterms less than two weeks away, liberal commentators have put a lot of heat on Republican candidates who advocate repealing Obamacare but don't have a fully-formed plan to replace it. There's been less attention to Democrats who pledge to "fix" the president's troubled healthcare overhaul. What, specifically, would they fix? Tuesday's Senate debate in New Hampshire, between incumbent Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen and GOP challenger Scott Brown, was a textbook case of a Democrat promising to fix Obamacare without offering much in the way of actual fixes.
Then moderator Chuck Todd asked, "What is a 'fix bill' you would like to introduce?" This is what Shaheen had to say:

Well, like any other major issue, healthcare is something that we have to continue to address as we implement it. This has been a major change. One of the things that I've proposed is an independent CEO and advisory committee that would oversee the healthcare website, because we saw some issues with the rollout of the website.
That was Shaheen's fix: she would appoint an Obamacare committee. But one that will just cover the website.
Yeah, that will fix the cancellation of policies... that will control the skyrocketing costs this clusterfuck of a law is causing.

What about the people facing sky-high deductibles? What about the people facing higher premiums without taxpayer-paid subsidies? What about the people facing narrow networks of doctors? (Might it be that health insurance companies still determine what kind of care people get?) And what about Obamacare's long-term fiscal outlook, that it will likely add to the deficit rather than cut it, as proponents had claimed?
Fuck all that. At least she'll have that spiffy website working like a chump, er, champ.

If New Hampshire elects her, they deserve all the crap they get.
 
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Shaheen's Obamacare fix: Appoint a committee

Yeah, that will fix the cancellation of policies... that will control the skyrocketing costs this clusterfuck of a law is causing.

Fuck all that. At least she'll have that spiffy website working like a chump, er, champ.

If New Hampshire elects her, they deserve all the crap they get.
"Well, like any other major issue, healthcare is something that we have to continue to address as we implement it. This has been a major change. One of the things that I've proposed is an independent CEO and advisory committee that would oversee the healthcare website, because we saw some issues with the rollout of the website."

Nonsensical answer. Sounds like a middle school kid pretending to understand law and politics. "Like any other major issue, healthcare is something that we have to continue to address as we implement it?" What in the fuck kind of statement is that?

Let's all agree, all of us, not to vote for bumbling idiots this year. Conservatives and liberals, Republicans and Democrats. No bumbling idiots allowed.

I brought it up in a thread about a 40+ year career politician in my state (Don Young) who, when challenged by a minor child that had just recently lost his friend to suicide that the friend did have support (contrary to Young's claim that suicide is a result of inadequate support), said, quote, "Well, what, do you just go to the doctor and get diagnosed with suicide?"

No idiots allowed in Congress this year.
 
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The moderator should have said...

Ms. Shaheen, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul!
 
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The moderator should have said...

Ms. Shaheen, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul!
Props.

[video=youtube;5hfYJsQAhl0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0[/video]
 
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First of all health care costs have risen faster than the rate of inflation long before Obamacare was passed. So context is everything.

Second, here is Mitch McConnell turning himself into a pretzel..

He said last week that while he will certainly still pursue repeal of Obamacare, he thinks Kentucky should be able to and will keep its celebrated Kynect health-care exchange, set up by Democratic Governor Steve Beshear under the Affordable Care Act. Here’s how LEO Weekly, out of Louisville, reported the moment:

McConnell took three questions on the Affordable Care Act and how its repeal would affect the 413,000 Kentuckians who now have insurance through the state exchange, Kynect. The first question asked how he would respond to those who say repeal would take away the health care of 413,000 Kentuckians, to which McConnell launched into his standard answer that Obamacare was raising premiums, raising deductibles, and killing jobs, concluding, “It was a big mistake, we ought to pull it out root and branch and start over.”

WHAS’ Joe Arnold followed up that answer by asking, “But if you repeal it, won’t all of the state exchanges be dismantled? How does that work?” McConnell then launched into his standard “solution” of sorts, calling for an “international market” of insurance companies that aren’t limited by state lines, in addition to “malpractice reform.”

The LEO writer, Joe Sonka, whom McConnell’s muscle men once threw out of a press conference because he has the temerity to write, like, facts and stuff, went on to slice and dice McConnell’s argument: “Kynect could not have existed without the Affordable Care Act, and it would cease to exist if the Affordable Care Act ceased to exist. There would be no people eligible for the expanded Medicaid—the large majority of those who signed up through Kynect—and there would be no exchange for people to sign up for affordable private insurance with federal subsidies. Saying that Kynect is unconnected with the ACA or its repeal is just mind-numbingly false. The ACA and Kynect are one in the same.”

This is obvious to anyone with a brain. The category of humans with a brain includes McConnell. He’s not that stupid. That leaves only one other choice: hypocritical. Well, two other choices: hypocritical and lying. That is, he knows Kynect can’t exist without the ACA, but he just said it anyway, without any concern for the truth

http://http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/28/mitch-mcconnell-s-big-obamacare-kynect-lie.html
 
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Nice try, but McConnell's comments are nowhere near the profound idiocy of Shaheen's. Shaheen was Palin-esque. Absolutely painful and cringeworthy.
 

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Nice try, but McConnell's comments are nowhere near the profound idiocy of Shaheen's. Shaheen was Palin-esque. Absolutely painful and cringeworthy.
Hate to tell you but Obamacare is not going to be repealed. Even the GOP has given up on that except for lip service. So what is wrong with appointing a committee to make sure the web site has no more glitches??

Mitch is in fantasy land hoping the his states very popular heath care website is something that isn't part of Obamacare. The stupidly of that is astounding...

and he doubled down the stupid in his debate with Grimes..


Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has struggled throughout his re-election campaign to explain what repealing Obamacare would mean for the 500,000 people who have been insured by Kentucky's health care exchange, Kynect.

The first and only Kentucky Senate debate with Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes Monday night was no different, with McConnell stumbling over the issue once again by reducing Kynect to a mere website and arguing that Kentucky could keep the exchange and its Medicaid expansion -- if the state was willing to pay for it.

"Kentucky Kynect is a website. It was paid for by a grant from the federal government," McConnell said. "The website can continue, but in my view the best interests of the country would be achieved by pulling out Obamacare root and branch."

When pressed on whether he would like to keep Kynect, McConnell continued to argue that Kentucky officials could continue the state exchange "if they'd like to."

"States can decide whether or to expand Medicaid or not," he said. "It's a state decision."

When asked again if he personally was endorsing the continuation of the state exchange, McConnell responded, "Yeah, I think it’s fine to have a website."

The position was not entirely new for McConnell, who has sought to portray Kentucky's successful exchange as unconnected to the overall health care law and GOP calls for its repeal. But his argument continues to ignore the reality that Kynect is more than just a website.

The state exchange is the portal through which Kentucky has enrolled nearly a half-million individuals in private plans or the Medicaid expansion, and is backed by Obamacare subsidies provided by the federal government. A full repeal of the Affordable Care Act would eliminate those subsidies and place the burden on Kentucky to finance the exchange. Absent a replacement for Obamacare, there also would be no individual mandate pushing the enrollment of young, healthy people, who help stabilize insurance markets.

http://http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/mitch-mcconnell-obamacare_n_5980362.html
 

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Oh and the cancellation of policies right before Obamacare kicked in? Those where shitty and were not worth the piece of paper they were written on. I should know, I had private insurance for a short time. Worst waste of money ever.
 

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Hate to tell you but Obamacare is not going to be repealed. Even the GOP has given up on that except for lip service. So what is wrong with appointing a committee to make sure the web site has no more glitches??

Mitch is in fantasy land hoping the his states very popular heath care website is something that isn't part of Obamacare. The stupidly of that is astounding...

and he doubled down the stupid in his debate with Grimes..


Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has struggled throughout his re-election campaign to explain what repealing Obamacare would mean for the 500,000 people who have been insured by Kentucky's health care exchange, Kynect.

The first and only Kentucky Senate debate with Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes Monday night was no different, with McConnell stumbling over the issue once again by reducing Kynect to a mere website and arguing that Kentucky could keep the exchange and its Medicaid expansion -- if the state was willing to pay for it.

"Kentucky Kynect is a website. It was paid for by a grant from the federal government," McConnell said. "The website can continue, but in my view the best interests of the country would be achieved by pulling out Obamacare root and branch."

When pressed on whether he would like to keep Kynect, McConnell continued to argue that Kentucky officials could continue the state exchange "if they'd like to."

"States can decide whether or to expand Medicaid or not," he said. "It's a state decision."

When asked again if he personally was endorsing the continuation of the state exchange, McConnell responded, "Yeah, I think it’s fine to have a website."

The position was not entirely new for McConnell, who has sought to portray Kentucky's successful exchange as unconnected to the overall health care law and GOP calls for its repeal. But his argument continues to ignore the reality that Kynect is more than just a website.

The state exchange is the portal through which Kentucky has enrolled nearly a half-million individuals in private plans or the Medicaid expansion, and is backed by Obamacare subsidies provided by the federal government. A full repeal of the Affordable Care Act would eliminate those subsidies and place the burden on Kentucky to finance the exchange. Absent a replacement for Obamacare, there also would be no individual mandate pushing the enrollment of young, healthy people, who help stabilize insurance markets.

http://http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/mitch-mcconnell-obamacare_n_5980362.html
A... huffington post... ROFLMFAO [MENTION=26164]HayJenn[/MENTION]

B... Obamacare has increased the costs of healthcare overall, and increased rates. Fact. Any number of Google searches will tell you this.

C... McConnell is in Kentucky, NOT New Hampshire. At least give us examples from the general area of the race the OP is about, or you look inept.