Should Washington, D.C. be the 51st State?

Should Washington, D.C. become a state?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • No

    Votes: 11 61.1%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 3 16.7%

  • Total voters
    18

Singularity

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I like having a special government space. Old-school, I guess.
Having a special government district is the norm in many federalized constitutions.

Giving that district absolutely no voting legislators, and a local government that remains legally subordinate to the national legislature on every issue, is not.
 

Singularity

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LOL The number of LWers flipping over from denouncing Wyoming's disproportionate weight in Congress to supporting DC's disproportionate weight in Congress is fascinating.
Wyoming absolutely deserves a single representative and two senators. Who says otherwise?
 

Singularity

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All the liberals arguing about the Electoral College and, by extension, Congressional representation.
That's nonsense, you can absolutely say the Electoral College should be reformed or abolished, and yet maintain that Wyoming's current Congressional representation is fine.

The Electoral College gives no particular weight to Wyoming. Indeed it ensures that nobody campaigns in Wyoming, when if there were a popular vote system, a candidate who is heavily relying on rural voters would probably at least want to make a stop there at some point. That's ~400,000 adults or so who could make a difference.
 
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That's nonsense, you can absolutely say the Electoral College should be reformed or abolished, and yet maintain that Wyoming's current Congressional representation is fine.

The Electoral College gives no particular weight to Wyoming. Indeed it ensures that nobody campaigns in Wyoming, when if there were a popular vote system, a candidate who is heavily relying on rural voters would probably at least want to make a stop there at some point. That's ~400,000 adults or so who could make a difference.
True, but that's not what they are saying since Wyoming, as is being argued for DC, would still have two Senators so it's not just the EC.


Examples from other threads on the EC:

But each resident of Wyoming gets triple the weight per vote of a California voter. That's unfair.
Not to worry too much about the racist EC that gives clowns in Alaska and Wyoming triple the voice as those in California, New York & Florida Progressives. We don't need that many more states to award their 100% of their Electors to the popular vote winner in order to get to 270.

But if that doesn't happen, a Republican will eventually win the popular vote by 3-5 million and still lose the election. Republicans will then abandon their love of the EC faster than you can say Jumping Jack Flash! ;)
Also in 2000. In fact, a Democrat has won more votes than the Republican in every election since 1988 except for one (2004). That's six of the last seven elections. In the one exception, a Republican was the incumbent--had the Dem been elected, he would likely have won re-election in 2004.

Of course Dems want to elect the president by popular vote. All the most populous places in the country are majority Dem. The GOP punches WAY above its weight because of the advantages our Constitution gives to rural areas.
The differences in state populations were not nearly so great in our Founders' time. They could not have imagined our current situation with regard to population. But you think the whole "slaves count for 3/5rds but get 0 votes" was an ingenious system too. The whole point was to keep any faction from dominating the other(s). The EC now ALLOWS one faction to dominate the others.
 

CtC

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Great! So break off the parts and add them to Virginia and Maryland. Problem solved.

BTW, after all the bitching and moaning by the Left about the Electoral College and the state of Wyoming, it's odd to see so many LWers seek to give people another small population the same power as California.
Besides ,Wyoming produced FOOD. What does DC produce?
 

Singularity

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True, but that's not what they are saying since Wyoming, as is being argued for DC, would still have two Senators so it's not just the EC.
OK, fair enough, but I personally have no objection to Wyoming's representation.

I just say that if Wyoming is going to have representation in the form of one Rep and two Senators, then D.C., which currently has zero, should be granted similar representation.
 
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Singularity

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Besides ,Wyoming produced FOOD. What does DC produce?
Are you kidding? If it were a state, DC would rank No. 6 for gross state product, and it is one of the nation's leading centers of scientific research. Aside from the federal government, which naturally controls or directly regulates 25 percent of all jobs in the city (this is the norm for capital cities), George Washington University, Georgetown University, Washington Hospital Center, the Children's National Medical Center and Howard University are the city's top 5 employers. The whole region is a national leader in medical research, in particular. If you benefit from an innovative medical treatment, it was probably invented or directly influenced by a scientist who lives in the Beltway.
 

The Man

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I know plenty in Russia wish to move the capital from Moscow to Siberia somewhere lol

Many of those are people actually living in Moscow itself, who are sick of the traffic and congestion caused by the motorcades of all the powerful officials in the city:
among other things...

They are also tired of everyone else from all over the country (and from other ex-Soviet republics) pouring into Moscow, precisely because it's the capital, it's where all the money also flows, from the taxes and the natural resources, etc; where all the top universities are; all the best jobs; etc.

About 20 million people now crammed in there, all in all, if we count all the undocumented migrants from Central Asia, Ukraine, et al; it is insane over there, the roads are, again, always clogged

public transit is also often super crowded at peak hours, the Metro especially


There are also not enough schools and kindergartens, or so I heard


This dad, for example, back in 2017, was waiting outside a school in Moscow to register his son for a spot in Grade 1, and was beaten half to death by other parents there, who thought he tried to cut in line ahead of them


Yeah, it's out of control over there...