Should Washington, D.C. be the 51st State?

Should Washington, D.C. become a state?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • No

    Votes: 11 61.1%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 3 16.7%

  • Total voters
    18
Dec 2018
7,000
4,607
the Heart of America
OK, fair enough, but I personally have no objection to Wyoming's representation.

I just say that if Wyoming is going to have representation in the form of one Rep and two Senators, then D.C., which currently has zero, should be granted similar representation.
That's not sufficient reason to give an area that is only 68.34 miles statehood including two Senators and a Representative. Better to either break them off and added to Maryland and Virginia or give them the same tax status as Puerto Rico.

FYI, the smallest state in the Union is Delaware at 2,489 square miles. New York city is over 300 square miles. Giving a city statehood, much less a city less than 70 square miles is silly. If Liberals want another state, Puerto Rico should be added.
 

Singularity

Moderator
Oct 2009
33,692
28,432
Kansas
That's not sufficient reason to give an area that is only 68.34 miles statehood including two Senators and a Representative. Better to either break them off and added to Maryland and Virginia or give them the same tax status as Puerto Rico.

FYI, the smallest state in the Union is Delaware at 2,489 square miles. New York city is over 300 square miles. Giving a city statehood, much less a city less than 70 square miles is silly. If Liberals want another state, Puerto Rico should be added.
Puerto Rico is not ready for the level of self-governance statehood entails. Before Hurricane Maria, maybe. Not now.

Geography is just a number. Land doesn't vote, people do, and these voters, who do not belong to Maryland or Virginia, deserve representation.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Panzareta
Dec 2018
7,000
4,607
the Heart of America
Puerto Rico is not ready for the level of self-governance statehood entails. Before Hurricane Maria, maybe. Not now.

Geography is just a number. Land doesn't vote, people do, and these voters, who do not belong to Maryland or Virginia, deserve representation.
Nonetheless, as noted earlier, you'd be putting unprecedented power into the hands of very few. Not just the power of Wyoming, but a 68 square mile area that contains the majority of our Federal government: Congress, the White House, SCOTUS, the Treasury, etc.

While I agree with the "No taxation without representation" argument, better to just not make them pay taxes.
 
Jul 2013
41,128
27,200
On a happy trail
It should be a state just not the 51st. There should be less states not more and states that have been consistently unable to attract a certain level of population need to go back to being territories or be divided up among neighboring states.
 
Jul 2013
41,128
27,200
On a happy trail
Flame Baiting
Nonetheless, as noted earlier, you'd be putting unprecedented power into the hands of very few. Not just the power of Wyoming, but a 68 square mile area that contains the majority of our Federal government: Congress, the White House, SCOTUS, the Treasury, etc.

While I agree with the "No taxation without representation" argument, better to just not make them pay taxes.
I bet you would have been in favor of keeping slavery legal too.
 

Babba

Former Staff
Jul 2007
77,364
68,762
So. Md.
LOL The number of LWers flipping over from denouncing Wyoming's disproportionate weight in Congress to supporting DC's disproportionate weight in Congress is fascinating.
That doesn't seem like a fair reason to deny them their full rights.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Panzareta

Rasselas

Moderator
Feb 2010
71,823
49,093
USA
An excellent and, IMO, a preferable solution: Treat them like Puerto Rico.


The Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States and Puerto Ricans are US citizens. However, Puerto Rico is not a US state. Because of this, only Puerto Rican residents who are government employees, and those with income sources outside of the territory, pay federal income tax. All other employers and employees pay no federal income taxes. However, residents of Puerto Rico and businesses operating in Puerto Rico do pay some federal taxes, and the commonwealth's government has its own taxes as well.
You don't think THAT would create some odd outcomes? A huge increase in population? PR is an island where they speak Spanish and suffer severe restrictions on trade. Without those impediments, what do you think would happen?
 

Rasselas

Moderator
Feb 2010
71,823
49,093
USA
LOL The number of LWers flipping over from denouncing Wyoming's disproportionate weight in Congress to supporting DC's disproportionate weight in Congress is fascinating.
It's counterbalancing.

You have to admit that when a permanent minority in one part of the country (a relatively small minority) selects the senators who select the SCOTUS and have a veto over nearly every law...that's problematic.

Combining states is never going to happen and taking power away from small states is never going to happen.
 

Rasselas

Moderator
Feb 2010
71,823
49,093
USA
True, but that's not what they are saying since Wyoming, as is being argued for DC, would still have two Senators so it's not just the EC.


Examples from other threads on the EC:
But what does DC statehood have to do with the EC? They already get three EC votes, which is the same as they would as a state.

If voters in rural Wyoming have an unfair advantage, it's not illogical to favor a similar arrangement in an urban area, especially since there are a number of other rural states that enjoy a similar advantage.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Panzareta