Socialized medicine foe goes to Canada to fix his hernia

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That is the main obstacle. Everyone must have skin in the game at the federal level. Other Countries do not have the EIC. I think we need to make a decision on this because there is no such thing as getting everything you want. Until we have tax reform, there will never be UHC. It has to be funded somehow and the Middle class is eroding.
I think a lot of people dont realize we must reform our tax system before we could ever get UHC. We cant just do it the way we do now. Everybody pays. Thats what makes it work.
 
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Paul must have been a really lousy neighbor to get broken ribs,a hernia. Some day we will find out why.
He was assaulted for being right wing... Probably not related to the hernia (if that's what it takes to get hernias, would have had a lot more cases between my friends when younger).
 
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What a weasel.

'Cause Canadians HATE their healthcare...

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is going to Canada for surgery

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, one of the fiercest political critics of socialized medicine, will travel to Canada later this month to get hernia surgery.

Paul, an ophthalmologist, said the operation is related to an injury in 2017 when his neighbor, Rene Boucher, attacked him while Paul was mowing his lawn. The incident left Kentucky's junior senator with six broken ribs and a bruised lung.

He is scheduled to have the outpatient operation at the Shouldice Hernia Hospital in Thornhill, Ontario during the week of Jan. 21, according to documents from Paul's civil lawsuit against Boucher filed in Warren Circuit Court.

He went to a...drum roll....









Private hospital!

Normal Canadians may be subject to still pay for care based on the website for this SPECIALITY hospital. I’m not too sure as I’m really only familiar with American insurance policies and language. Paul paid OUT OF POCKET for PRIVATE hospital care at one of the best places to go in the world.

I don’t see how this story had any merit? Unless you just don’t understand how the system works.
 

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He went to a...drum roll....









Private hospital!

Normal Canadians may be subject to still pay for care based on the website for this SPECIALITY hospital. I’m not too sure as I’m really only familiar with American insurance policies and language. Paul paid OUT OF POCKET for PRIVATE hospital care at one of the best places to go in the world.

I don’t see how this story had any merit? Unless you just don’t understand how the system works.

Read the story. ANY Canadian can go to the same hospital for the same procedure. Do you know what the only difference is?

All citizens are covered.
 
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I think a lot of people dont realize we must reform our tax system before we could ever get UHC. We cant just do it the way we do now. Everybody pays. Thats what makes it work.
UHC is a joke. We have a decent and well established insurance program. It works ok. We just need some balancing of the system. Things like only allowing companies to negotiate with the hospital on cost. Not the patient. The hospital shouldn’t direct bill the insured. There shouldn’t be a copay and a deductible. And there shouldn’t be any “network out of network.” My insurance should apply in any city or state. Your car insurance is applicable to any state. :shrug:

I know I’m being simplistic here. But our insurance is relatively inexpensive and it works just fine for MOST of the country. The issue is a lot of people don’t understand the system. And the insurance companies have instituted bottom line processes that hurt their customers and force them into emergency care when it does not matter. I’m betting they are changing as they see keeping people healthier is far cheaper in the long run.
 
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Read the story. ANY Canadian can go to the same hospital for the same procedure. Do you know what the only difference is?

All citizens are covered.
That is an over simplistic breakdown and seems to ME you don’t understand the process. Did you go to the website?

Ontario Patients
Ontario’s Hospital Insurance Plan (OHIP) covers all costs to Ontario residents for public ward rate hospital accommodation and physician services.

Semi-private rooms are available at an additional cost. Patients with private insurance may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork we provide to you on discharge. We do not bill insurance companies directly on your behalf.

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash.

Non-Ontario Canadian Resident Patients
Provincial health insurance plans cover all costs to Canadian residents for public ward rate hospital accommodation and physician services. Hospital ward charges are billed directly to respective provincial health ministries, with applicable physician services subject to payment by patients on admission. These fees may be submitted to provincial health plans for reimbursement based on paperwork provided to you on discharge. The amount you will be reimbursed will be dependent on your provinces applicable schedule of medical fees.

All qualifying patients will receive an admission letter with a breakdown of fees specific to their surgical procedure and related hospital stay.

Semi-private rooms are available at an additional cost. Patients with private insurance may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork we provide to you on discharge. We do not bill insurance companies directly on your behalf.

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash.
Shows that there are possible charges for Canadians. Further?

Rand? He paid for it out of pocket. This is a nothing story. He paid out of pocket just like his principles would suggest he would. He went to a quality speciality hospital that accepts patients globally and accepts private insurance. Go figure?

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You can’t get around the fact that he paid out of pocket at a specialty hospital that accepts global patients. He didn’t go to a GOVERNMENT hospital. Lol
 

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That is an over simplistic breakdown and seems to ME you don’t understand the process. Did you go to the website?



Shows that there are possible charges for Canadians. Further?

Rand? He paid for it out of pocket. This is a nothing story. He paid out of pocket just like his principles would suggest he would. He went to a quality speciality hospital that accepts patients globally and accepts private insurance. Go figure?

Ps

You can’t get around the fact that he paid out of pocket at a specialty hospital that accepts global patients. He didn’t go to a GOVERNMENT hospital. Lol
You can't get around the fact that Canadians have a superior health care system and that contrary to your mantra, AMERICANS are the ones traveling to Canada for healthcare, not the other way around.
 
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That is an over simplistic breakdown and seems to ME you don’t understand the process. Did you go to the website?



Shows that there are possible charges for Canadians. Further?

Rand? He paid for it out of pocket. This is a nothing story. He paid out of pocket just like his principles would suggest he would. He went to a quality speciality hospital that accepts patients globally and accepts private insurance. Go figure?

Ps

You can’t get around the fact that he paid out of pocket at a specialty hospital that accepts global patients. He didn’t go to a GOVERNMENT hospital. Lol
The point is that a world class private specially hospital that attracts global patients EXISTS in a system where all citizens are fully insured by a public insurer. It succeeds and excels while still being subject to the regulations of the public health care system, and it also serves patients with no money, simply because they are citizens.

It exists. It's a real thing. It works. Not perfectly, but it functions well enough for his doctors to refer him there.

Rand has spent decades claiming loudly and angrily that such things do not exist, that they are impossible, and he has specifically vilified and insulted those who suggest that facilities like this exist in Canada. Or Europe. Or Asia. Or Australia / NZ. He insisted that this clinic is impossible and stopped any discussion of it with indignation.

Until the second it inconvenienced him, personally, THEN he accepted reality. The minute his tummy stops hurting, the very minute, he will go back to insulting us and calling us liars for saying a clinic like this exists.

As will his ideological enablers on American Internet.
 
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You can't get around the fact that Canadians have a superior health care system and that contrary to your mantra, AMERICANS are the ones traveling to Canada for healthcare, not the other way around.
Wrong. This is a PRIVATE hospital. Do you need an explanation of the word? It means this is an American going to a non government location to pay for service. A location that will accept PAYMENT from Canadian insurance to the extent required (public ward rate and services) and then bill the customer for the remainder of the cost. And there WILL be a remainder. Why? Those are 2 line items on the bill.

This isn’t an example of an American going to some “superior Canadian government hospital.” It is an American going to a private institution that is the best in the world at what they do. He would have gone there if it was in America. Or Mexico. Or London. And he paid out of pocket. Period.

The fact is? Canada’s health insurance plan does some things well. Others not so much. One thing being wait times for specialists, while they tend to do much better at preventative healthcare (which helps with overall health and success rates on surgeries and so on). You are trying to take this as a way to pretend it proves something. It doesn’t.