Teen girl pulled off train for refusing to move her foot

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The video looks pretty bad, the cop dragging this very slight girl off the train, but at the same time, what are they supposed to do?

In this case, the police have been instructed to crack down on train rules. No eating, drinking, vaping, and putting feet on seats.

They can warn them, or eject them from the train.

How could he merely give her a warning after she refused to put her foot down? She claimed she was comfortable that way, had paid her fare, and refused.

He had her in cuffs while he wanted to get her ID and such, but released her with a citation.

She put her foot on the seat of a Metro train and got detained. Did the LAPD overreact?
 

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And, of course the thug in uniform picks on some minority girl too... Reminds me of Moscow. Although, even over there, as I said before, cops almost never use force on females, unless absolutely, totally necessary. American police really are shit, no offense.
 
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And, of course the thug in uniform picks on some minority girl too... Reminds me of Moscow. Although, even over there, as I said before, cops almost never use force on females, unless absolutely, totally necessary. American police really are shit, no offense.
He didn't rough her up or anything. He asked her to put her foot down. She refused. He told her then to get off the train. She refused. She clung to the railing as he tried to escort her off.

IDK what their choice is. Go around telling people throw away your food, stop using your vape, take your foot off the seat, and everyone telling the cops to fuck off, they will do as they please?

As a white person, I have never gotten away with telling a cop to fuck off. I tried to sneak away, as a teen, from a party that had been busted. They wanted us all faces in the ground. Hands behind our backs. They weren't going to arrest us, (but we didn't know that, hence wanting to sneak away), they just wanted us all on the ground, for their big lecture about our underage drinking and the consequences that could be imposed, would be imposed, if after the big lecture we did not disperse in whatever manner prescribed (I don't remember what that was - they wouldn't have wanted us driving).

Anyway, me and my girlfriend were yanked back into place, down on the ground. Under threat of arrest if we tried to sneak away again.

That is why I was gobsmacked at those black teens a few years ago in Texas fighting with the cops, running, etc, and then claiming it was racially biased.

Nope. Our group was 98% white. Faces. In. The. Ground. And regarding class, this was a wealthy kid having a party for all of us who were also mostly upper class kids. Nice, quiet suburb.
 

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He didn't rough her up or anything. He asked her to put her foot down. She refused. He told her then to get off the train. She refused. She clung to the railing as he tried to escort her off.

IDK what their choice is. Go around telling people throw away your food, stop using your vape, take your foot off the seat, and everyone telling the cops to fuck off, they will do as they please?

As a white person, I have never gotten away with telling a cop to fuck off. I tried to sneak away, as a teen, from a party that had been busted. They wanted us all faces in the ground. Hands behind our backs. They weren't going to arrest us, (but we didn't know that, hence wanting to sneak away), they just wanted us all on the ground, for their big lecture about our underage drinking and the consequences that could be imposed, would be imposed, if after the big lecture we did not disperse in whatever manner prescribed (I don't remember what that was - they wouldn't have wanted us driving).

Anyway, me and my girlfriend were yanked back into place, down on the ground. Under threat of arrest if we tried to sneak away again.

That is why I was gobsmacked at those black teens a few years ago in Texas fighting with the cops, running, etc, and then claiming it was racially biased.

Nope. Our group was 98% white. Faces. In. The. Ground. And regarding class, this was a wealthy kid having a party for all of us who were also mostly upper class kids. Nice, quiet suburb.
Well, but you WERE under age drinking. Not like you were in your grandmother's back yard using your cell phone.

Or walking back from the convenience store.

Or playing on the playground.

Or ... this is too time-consuming. Have a link.
 
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He didn't rough her up or anything. He asked her to put her foot down. She refused. He told her then to get off the train. She refused. She clung to the railing as he tried to escort her off.

IDK what their choice is. Go around telling people throw away your food, stop using your vape, take your foot off the seat, and everyone telling the cops to fuck off, they will do as they please?

As a white person, I have never gotten away with telling a cop to fuck off. I tried to sneak away, as a teen, from a party that had been busted. They wanted us all faces in the ground. Hands behind our backs. They weren't going to arrest us, (but we didn't know that, hence wanting to sneak away), they just wanted us all on the ground, for their big lecture about our underage drinking and the consequences that could be imposed, would be imposed, if after the big lecture we did not disperse in whatever manner prescribed (I don't remember what that was - they wouldn't have wanted us driving).

Anyway, me and my girlfriend were yanked back into place, down on the ground. Under threat of arrest if we tried to sneak away again.

That is why I was gobsmacked at those black teens a few years ago in Texas fighting with the cops, running, etc, and then claiming it was racially biased.

Nope. Our group was 98% white. Faces. In. The. Ground. And regarding class, this was a wealthy kid having a party for all of us who were also mostly upper class kids. Nice, quiet suburb.
Why not simply let people do as indeed they please? US is still supposed to be a free country, no? Is eating against the law? Is vaping? Personally, I don't like people who put their feet up on seats on public transit, sure; but I wouldn't want fucking cops going after them for it.

It's stupid, the way your police act. They are out of control. It is a disgrace to your country. It hurts the credibility of those of us trying to argue to others elsewhere in the world that they need to improve their human rights situations and such. I, personally, get American police YouTube videos thrown back at me all the time on Russian boards, lots of morons over there don't know the difference between US and Canada...
 
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Well, but you WERE under age drinking. Not like you were in your grandmother's back yard using your cell phone.

Or walking back from the convenience store.

Or playing on the playground.

Or ... this is too time-consuming. Have a link.
Yes, but the comparison I drew was to black teens, who were also at a party, that were also breaking rules. Only so many guests allowed at the community pool. They wouldn't have been man-handled had they simply stayed still as told. They physically fought and ran from police. They aren't going to tolerate that no matter of color.

Some of the kids did like me and my friend. Tried to sneak off but after being told, don't do that, they were like yes sir. Those kids were fine.
 

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Why not simply let people do as indeed they please? US is still supposed to be a free country, no? Is eating against the law? Is vaping? Personally, I don't like people who put their feet up on seats on public transit, sure; but I wouldn't want fucking cops going after them for it.

It's stupid, the way your police act. They are out of control. It is a disgrace to your country. It hurts the credibility of those of us trying to argue to others elsewhere in the world that they need to improve their human rights situations and such. I, personally, get American police YouTube videos thrown back at me all the time on Russian boards, lots of morons over there don't know the difference between US and Canada...
We are undoubtedly becoming a police state.
 
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The Man

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Here is a cool video, it compares how Russian vs. US police handle aggressive drunk idiots lol
[video=youtube;OeHNTR-49HY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeHNTR-49HY[/video]
 
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Why not simply let people do as indeed they please? US is still supposed to be a free country, no? Is eating against the law? Is vaping? Personally, I don't like people who put their feet up on seats on public transit, sure; but I wouldn't want fucking cops going after them for it.

It's stupid, the way your police act. They are out of control. It is a disgrace to your country. It hurts the credibility of those of us trying to argue to others elsewhere in the world that they need to improve their human rights situations and such. I, personally, get American police YouTube videos thrown back at me all the time on Russian boards, lots of morons over there don't know the difference between US and Canada...
No, we cannot just do what we want on other people's property. This is public transit. Do I think a foot on a seat is a big deal? No, but at the same time when asked to remove it, one cannot simply say 'No'. Then everyone will say no to ceasing behavior that is against the rules.

Vaping might very well be against the law on public transit there, I don't know. But eating, of course it isn't against the law, but places like trains and the library and other public spaces can disallow it. And the only way to enforce that is security guards or police.
 
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The video looks pretty bad, the cop dragging this very slight girl off the train, but at the same time, what are they supposed to do?

In this case, the police have been instructed to crack down on train rules. No eating, drinking, vaping, and putting feet on seats.

They can warn them, or eject them from the train.

How could he merely give her a warning after she refused to put her foot down? She claimed she was comfortable that way, had paid her fare, and refused.

He had her in cuffs while he wanted to get her ID and such, but released her with a citation.

She put her foot on the seat of a Metro train and got detained. Did the LAPD overreact?
There are some things it makes sense to take a stand on... and some things that do not. A requirement to not put your feet on the seat is better for everyone and not targeting any group. I didn't look at the video.. but from the description, the teen looks to me to be wrong.
 
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