The ADL on Antifa and the Proud Boys

Jets

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Feb 2011
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Antifa: Scope and Tactics:
Today's antifa argue they are the on-the-ground defense against individuals they believe are promoting fascism in the United States. However, antifa, who have many anti-police anarchists in their ranks, can also target law enforcement with both verbal and physical assaults because they believe the police are providing cover for white supremacists. They will sometimes chant against fascism and against law enforcement in the same breath.
While some antifa use their fists, other violent tactics include throwing projectiles, including bricks, crowbars, homemade slingshots, metal chains, water bottles, and balloons filled with urine and feces. They have deployed noxious gases, pushed through police barricades, and attempted to exploit any perceived weakness in law enforcement presence.
Away from rallies, they also engage in “doxxing,” exposing their adversaries’ identities, addresses, jobs and other private information. This can lead to their opponents being harassed or losing their jobs, among other consequences. Members of the alt right and other right wing extremists have responded with their own doxxing campaigns, and by perpetuating hateful and violent narratives using fake “antifa” social media accounts.
Because there is no unifying body for antifa, it is impossible to know how many “members” are currently active. Different localities have antifa populations of different strengths, but antifa are also sometimes willing to travel hundreds of miles to oppose a white supremacist event.

Who are Antifa?


Violent Ideology
Proud Boys are united by a disdain for liberalism, progressive values, and what they refer to as “politically correct” culture. Violence is an important tool in the promotion of their anti-left-wing agenda. It is also directly part of their operational structure: to become a full member of the Proud Boys, a person is required to complete four “degrees,” including violent acts. The first degree is “declaring you’re a Proud Boy;” the second is “getting beat up while naming five breakfast cereals;” the third is “getting a proud Boy tattoo,” and the fourth is “to get beat up and kick the crap out of Antifa.”
Gavin McInnes regularly encourages his followers to commit violence against people who disagree with them. In a June 2016 episode of the Gavin McInnes show, he said, “We will kill you. That’s the Proud Boys in a nutshell. We will kill you. We look nice, we seem soft, we have boys in our name…we will assassinate you.” In 2017, he said in an interview that violence “is a really effective way to solve problems” and, also in 2017, McInnes said violence “is a really effective way to solve problems.” Although McInnes has at times repudiated violence, the group routinely engages in it, often with McInnes’ explicit encouragement.
Despite encouraging – and even requiring – his followers to fight, McInnes is quick to distance himself from responsibility when the group (and its violent tactics) receives negative attention. For example, in a response to the Proud Boys’ visible role in October’s violent clashes in New York City, McInnes insisted to Newsmax TV that he does not “control these guys,” and claimed, “I'm the founder, not the leader.”
McInnes keeps his distance from individual chapters, likely as a way of deflecting negative media attention from himself. Although each chapter is nominally independent, McInnes continues to provide general direction and ideological inspiration for the group as a whole. It is difficult to estimate the total number of Proud Boys, but the group claims to have numerous chapters in the United States, as well as Israel, New Zealand, Australia, and Canada. While the group is strictly a men’s group, there are female supporters known as “Proud Boys’ Girls” who support the group’s ideals.

Proud Boys

Both are extremists representative of their political ideology. I think Antifa gives a bad name to liberals just as the Proud Boys give a bad name to conservatives.


I could care less which group wins the pissing contest...


Thoughts?
 

Rev. Hellh0und

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Now go look at the heat map. Much of antifas violence is missing, while a nazi who punched his nazi girlfriend is....


Thoughts, i think we should rent out an arena and sell tickets and let them fight.
 
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Antifa: Scope and Tactics:
Today's antifa argue they are the on-the-ground defense against individuals they believe are promoting fascism in the United States. However, antifa, who have many anti-police anarchists in their ranks, can also target law enforcement with both verbal and physical assaults because they believe the police are providing cover for white supremacists. They will sometimes chant against fascism and against law enforcement in the same breath.
While some antifa use their fists, other violent tactics include throwing projectiles, including bricks, crowbars, homemade slingshots, metal chains, water bottles, and balloons filled with urine and feces. They have deployed noxious gases, pushed through police barricades, and attempted to exploit any perceived weakness in law enforcement presence.
Away from rallies, they also engage in “doxxing,” exposing their adversaries’ identities, addresses, jobs and other private information. This can lead to their opponents being harassed or losing their jobs, among other consequences. Members of the alt right and other right wing extremists have responded with their own doxxing campaigns, and by perpetuating hateful and violent narratives using fake “antifa” social media accounts.
Because there is no unifying body for antifa, it is impossible to know how many “members” are currently active. Different localities have antifa populations of different strengths, but antifa are also sometimes willing to travel hundreds of miles to oppose a white supremacist event.

Who are Antifa?


Violent Ideology
Proud Boys are united by a disdain for liberalism, progressive values, and what they refer to as “politically correct” culture. Violence is an important tool in the promotion of their anti-left-wing agenda. It is also directly part of their operational structure: to become a full member of the Proud Boys, a person is required to complete four “degrees,” including violent acts. The first degree is “declaring you’re a Proud Boy;” the second is “getting beat up while naming five breakfast cereals;” the third is “getting a proud Boy tattoo,” and the fourth is “to get beat up and kick the crap out of Antifa.”
Gavin McInnes regularly encourages his followers to commit violence against people who disagree with them. In a June 2016 episode of the Gavin McInnes show, he said, “We will kill you. That’s the Proud Boys in a nutshell. We will kill you. We look nice, we seem soft, we have boys in our name…we will assassinate you.” In 2017, he said in an interview that violence “is a really effective way to solve problems” and, also in 2017, McInnes said violence “is a really effective way to solve problems.” Although McInnes has at times repudiated violence, the group routinely engages in it, often with McInnes’ explicit encouragement.
Despite encouraging – and even requiring – his followers to fight, McInnes is quick to distance himself from responsibility when the group (and its violent tactics) receives negative attention. For example, in a response to the Proud Boys’ visible role in October’s violent clashes in New York City, McInnes insisted to Newsmax TV that he does not “control these guys,” and claimed, “I'm the founder, not the leader.”
McInnes keeps his distance from individual chapters, likely as a way of deflecting negative media attention from himself. Although each chapter is nominally independent, McInnes continues to provide general direction and ideological inspiration for the group as a whole. It is difficult to estimate the total number of Proud Boys, but the group claims to have numerous chapters in the United States, as well as Israel, New Zealand, Australia, and Canada. While the group is strictly a men’s group, there are female supporters known as “Proud Boys’ Girls” who support the group’s ideals.

Proud Boys

Both are extremists representative of their political ideology. I think Antifa gives a bad name to liberals just as the Proud Boys give a bad name to conservatives.


I could care less which group wins the pissing contest...


Thoughts?
This seems to sum it up perfectly. Thanks. Great post.
 

Devil505

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Jan 2008
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Antifa: Scope and Tactics:
Today's antifa argue they are the on-the-ground defense against individuals they believe are promoting fascism in the United States. However, antifa, who have many anti-police anarchists in their ranks, can also target law enforcement with both verbal and physical assaults because they believe the police are providing cover for white supremacists. They will sometimes chant against fascism and against law enforcement in the same breath.
While some antifa use their fists, other violent tactics include throwing projectiles, including bricks, crowbars, homemade slingshots, metal chains, water bottles, and balloons filled with urine and feces. They have deployed noxious gases, pushed through police barricades, and attempted to exploit any perceived weakness in law enforcement presence.
Away from rallies, they also engage in “doxxing,” exposing their adversaries’ identities, addresses, jobs and other private information. This can lead to their opponents being harassed or losing their jobs, among other consequences. Members of the alt right and other right wing extremists have responded with their own doxxing campaigns, and by perpetuating hateful and violent narratives using fake “antifa” social media accounts.
Because there is no unifying body for antifa, it is impossible to know how many “members” are currently active. Different localities have antifa populations of different strengths, but antifa are also sometimes willing to travel hundreds of miles to oppose a white supremacist event.

Who are Antifa?


Violent Ideology
Proud Boys are united by a disdain for liberalism, progressive values, and what they refer to as “politically correct” culture. Violence is an important tool in the promotion of their anti-left-wing agenda. It is also directly part of their operational structure: to become a full member of the Proud Boys, a person is required to complete four “degrees,” including violent acts. The first degree is “declaring you’re a Proud Boy;” the second is “getting beat up while naming five breakfast cereals;” the third is “getting a proud Boy tattoo,” and the fourth is “to get beat up and kick the crap out of Antifa.”
Gavin McInnes regularly encourages his followers to commit violence against people who disagree with them. In a June 2016 episode of the Gavin McInnes show, he said, “We will kill you. That’s the Proud Boys in a nutshell. We will kill you. We look nice, we seem soft, we have boys in our name…we will assassinate you.” In 2017, he said in an interview that violence “is a really effective way to solve problems” and, also in 2017, McInnes said violence “is a really effective way to solve problems.” Although McInnes has at times repudiated violence, the group routinely engages in it, often with McInnes’ explicit encouragement.
Despite encouraging – and even requiring – his followers to fight, McInnes is quick to distance himself from responsibility when the group (and its violent tactics) receives negative attention. For example, in a response to the Proud Boys’ visible role in October’s violent clashes in New York City, McInnes insisted to Newsmax TV that he does not “control these guys,” and claimed, “I'm the founder, not the leader.”
McInnes keeps his distance from individual chapters, likely as a way of deflecting negative media attention from himself. Although each chapter is nominally independent, McInnes continues to provide general direction and ideological inspiration for the group as a whole. It is difficult to estimate the total number of Proud Boys, but the group claims to have numerous chapters in the United States, as well as Israel, New Zealand, Australia, and Canada. While the group is strictly a men’s group, there are female supporters known as “Proud Boys’ Girls” who support the group’s ideals.

Proud Boys

Both are extremists representative of their political ideology. I think Antifa gives a bad name to liberals just as the Proud Boys give a bad name to conservatives.


I could care less which group wins the pissing contest...


Thoughts?
There are plenty of violent white supremacists in this country and very few violent folks who oppose them.
The RW concept that both groups represent an equal threat to us is a lie/dirstraction meant to protect the Nazis amongst us.
Check FBI stats

Every minute they can distract us with Antifa BS is a minute we are avoiding the real problem.
The rise of Fascism in the world and a fascist faux POTUS in the WH.
 
Jul 2011
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Now go look at the heat map. Much of antifas violence is missing, while a nazi who punched his nazi girlfriend is....


Thoughts, i think we should rent out an arena and sell tickets and let them fight.

Always with the RW fanatic shit stinks less than LW fanatic shit and nothing more or deeper.
THEY ARE BOTH STINKY SHIT.
 

Rev. Hellh0und

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Jul 2011
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There are plenty of violent white supremacists in this country and very few violent folks who oppose them.
The RW concept that both groups represent an equal threat to us is a lie/dirstraction meant to protect the Nazis amongst us.
Check FBI stats

Every minute they can distract us with Antifa BS is a minute we are avoiding the real problem.
The rise of Fascism in the world and a fascist faux POTUS in the WH.


So you really think there are more white nationalists than antifa?
 
Mar 2012
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There are plenty of violent white supremacists in this country and very few violent folks who oppose them.
The RW concept that both groups represent an equal threat to us is a lie/dirstraction meant to protect the Nazis amongst us.
Check FBI stats

Every minute they can distract us with Antifa BS is a minute we are avoiding the real problem.
The rise of Fascism in the world and a fascist faux POTUS in the WH.
Maybe but Antifa got most of our attention over the last decade with their violence around G7 and G20 meetings. They caused almost a billion dollars of destruction in Hamburg in 2017 and trashed Toronto as well. They also disrupted Hillary during the DNC convention. Thats why they dont have peoples support. If they were just going after Nazis and fascists they would have a lot of support.

Disorder erupts on Philly streets outside DNC
Hamburg counts the cost of two nights of violence, looting and destruction
 
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Both are extremists representative of their political ideology. I think Antifa gives a bad name to liberals just as the Proud Boys give a bad name to conservatives.

The significant difference that you are conveniently ignoring is that the Republican Party has chosen to ally itself with white nationalist movements while the Democratic Party has not embraced violent left-wing activism.