The Cost of Providing Health Care to Illegal Aliens

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The total is obviously enough to pay for a border wall.



The cost of the border wall has been projected by numerous entities, and the estimates vary wildly. The Trump administration and the GOP congressional leadership have estimated its cost at $12 billion to $15 billion. Senate Democrats claim that the price tag would be $67 billion. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has projected the cost at $21.6 billion. Going with the Trump administration figure, the savings to our health care system should pay for the thing in a decade. Using the DHS figure, it will take far less time than a typical mortgage. Specifically, about 20 years.

This depends on what we pay for the health care we provide to illegal immigrants and how many will be stopped by the wall. Neither of these figures is easy to calculate, but it’s clear that most estimates we see in the media understate both. To hit the payoff goals noted above we would need to stop 500,000 people per year from illegally entering the country and eliminate an equal number from the Medicaid and Obamacare rolls. That would save $1.3 billion annually in medical costs. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, we spend nearly twice that on illegal aliens for emergency Medicaid alone:

Federal law generally bars illegal immigrants from being covered by Medicaid. But a little-known part of the state-federal health insurance program for the poor has long paid about $2 billion a year for emergency treatment for a group of patients who, according to hospitals, mostly comprise illegal immigrants.​

Most of this money pays for delivering babies when patients materialize in emergency rooms in active labor. Pursuant to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA), all hospitals must provide emergency medical treatment to all comers regardless of ability to pay or any other consideration. It is common for women of obviously foreign descent and no English to appear in ERs just as they are about to give birth. Hospitals cannot turn them away (and wouldn’t do so if they could). Medicaid retroactively covers them and pays some of the treatment costs.

Another potential source of health care savings that could go toward the wall is the taxpayer money that now goes to illegal immigrants, under the radar, pursuant to the skulduggery of state and local Democrats who deliberately circumvent the federal government’s ostensible ban on funding such medical services. In 2016, the Wall Street Journal reported that 80 percent of the counties with the highest number of illegal immigrants provide them “free” health care services, including surgery and prescription drugs. Extrapolated across the nation, this amounts to billions of dollars in care.

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https://spectator.org/the-cost-of-providing-health-care-to-illegal-aliens/
 

HayJenn

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The total is obviously enough to pay for a border wall.



The cost of the border wall has been projected by numerous entities, and the estimates vary wildly. The Trump administration and the GOP congressional leadership have estimated its cost at $12 billion to $15 billion. Senate Democrats claim that the price tag would be $67 billion. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has projected the cost at $21.6 billion. Going with the Trump administration figure, the savings to our health care system should pay for the thing in a decade. Using the DHS figure, it will take far less time than a typical mortgage. Specifically, about 20 years.

This depends on what we pay for the health care we provide to illegal immigrants and how many will be stopped by the wall. Neither of these figures is easy to calculate, but it’s clear that most estimates we see in the media understate both. To hit the payoff goals noted above we would need to stop 500,000 people per year from illegally entering the country and eliminate an equal number from the Medicaid and Obamacare rolls. That would save $1.3 billion annually in medical costs. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, we spend nearly twice that on illegal aliens for emergency Medicaid alone:

Federal law generally bars illegal immigrants from being covered by Medicaid. But a little-known part of the state-federal health insurance program for the poor has long paid about $2 billion a year for emergency treatment for a group of patients who, according to hospitals, mostly comprise illegal immigrants.​

Most of this money pays for delivering babies when patients materialize in emergency rooms in active labor. Pursuant to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA), all hospitals must provide emergency medical treatment to all comers regardless of ability to pay or any other consideration. It is common for women of obviously foreign descent and no English to appear in ERs just as they are about to give birth. Hospitals cannot turn them away (and wouldn’t do so if they could). Medicaid retroactively covers them and pays some of the treatment costs.

Another potential source of health care savings that could go toward the wall is the taxpayer money that now goes to illegal immigrants, under the radar, pursuant to the skulduggery of state and local Democrats who deliberately circumvent the federal government’s ostensible ban on funding such medical services. In 2016, the Wall Street Journal reported that 80 percent of the counties with the highest number of illegal immigrants provide them “free” health care services, including surgery and prescription drugs. Extrapolated across the nation, this amounts to billions of dollars in care.

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https://spectator.org/the-cost-of-providing-health-care-to-illegal-aliens/
So first of all, no comment on your link? Why is that?

Second, OK?? So the answer is to get Congress to pass a bill, undoing the legislation that they passed in 1986? Good luck with that.

From your link

Most of this money pays for delivering babies when patients materialize in emergency rooms in active labor.

So you think that women here "illegally" should not have medical care during birth?

I mean what could possible go wrong right??

And from the WJS that your article cites

Whether such programs are appropriate is a matter of debate. Many voters believe it is unfair to use tax dollars to help immigrants when American citizens struggle, and that doing so encourages illegal immigration. At the same time, American hospitals have long been required by law to screen and stabilize any patient, regardless of his or her ability to pay, which means taxpayers already are committed to paying for care in its most expensive setting.

County politicians figure it is cheaper, safer and easier to give basic health services to immigrants who can’t get insurance than to treat them only in the county’s emergency rooms.

For communities that provide care to illegal immigrants, the financial commitment is significant. Interviews with officials in the 25 counties indicated that local initiatives provide nonemergency care for at least 750,000 unauthorized immigrants across those counties, costing them more than $1 billion a yearalmost all from local funds.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/illegal-immigrants-get-public-health-care-despite-federal-policy-1458850082

So yeah, I think it makes a lot of financial sense to practice preventable medicine.

The last paragraph is a joke. I have not seen any democrats advocate for "open borders".

And for what? A stupid wall that is not, from an engineering point of view, feasible?
 
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Dims are more and more openly in favor of open borders.

Schumer outright refused any legislative action.

No comment was necessary for me to make in the OP.
 

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The total is obviously enough to pay for a border wall.



The cost of the border wall has been projected by numerous entities, and the estimates vary wildly. The Trump administration and the GOP congressional leadership have estimated its cost at $12 billion to $15 billion. Senate Democrats claim that the price tag would be $67 billion. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has projected the cost at $21.6 billion. Going with the Trump administration figure, the savings to our health care system should pay for the thing in a decade. Using the DHS figure, it will take far less time than a typical mortgage. Specifically, about 20 years.

This depends on what we pay for the health care we provide to illegal immigrants and how many will be stopped by the wall. Neither of these figures is easy to calculate, but it’s clear that most estimates we see in the media understate both. To hit the payoff goals noted above we would need to stop 500,000 people per year from illegally entering the country and eliminate an equal number from the Medicaid and Obamacare rolls. That would save $1.3 billion annually in medical costs. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, we spend nearly twice that on illegal aliens for emergency Medicaid alone:

Federal law generally bars illegal immigrants from being covered by Medicaid. But a little-known part of the state-federal health insurance program for the poor has long paid about $2 billion a year for emergency treatment for a group of patients who, according to hospitals, mostly comprise illegal immigrants.​

Most of this money pays for delivering babies when patients materialize in emergency rooms in active labor. Pursuant to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA), all hospitals must provide emergency medical treatment to all comers regardless of ability to pay or any other consideration. It is common for women of obviously foreign descent and no English to appear in ERs just as they are about to give birth. Hospitals cannot turn them away (and wouldn’t do so if they could). Medicaid retroactively covers them and pays some of the treatment costs.

Another potential source of health care savings that could go toward the wall is the taxpayer money that now goes to illegal immigrants, under the radar, pursuant to the skulduggery of state and local Democrats who deliberately circumvent the federal government’s ostensible ban on funding such medical services. In 2016, the Wall Street Journal reported that 80 percent of the counties with the highest number of illegal immigrants provide them “free” health care services, including surgery and prescription drugs. Extrapolated across the nation, this amounts to billions of dollars in care.

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https://spectator.org/the-cost-of-providing-health-care-to-illegal-aliens/
I know you don't answer questions, but do you want health care denied to these people or do you want them billed?

What is your point?
 
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Dims are more and more openly in favor of open borders.

Schumer outright refused any legislative action.

No comment was necessary for me to make in the OP.
I don't know what 'open borders' means.

Please tell me it is. So I can know what I believe.
 
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Providing Emergency Medical Treatment has been a long time practice.

Congress have not even contemplated changing the law. The American people have never fought for Congress to end the practice.

Texas did not want to pay for alien children to go to public school, The US Supreme Court said no. The US Supreme Court said it is far better to have an educated populace.

The same is true for health. It is far better to have a healthy populace. Vaccinated and free of disease.

Sounds like you want America to be a shithole country.
 
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Dims are more and more openly in favor of open borders.

Schumer outright refused any legislative action.

No comment was necessary for me to make in the OP.
Republicans have yet to put a bill on the floor. Until they do, they don't get to talk about legislative action.

Schumer can block Senate legislation, but McConnell can also force him to do so by putting a bill on the floor.

He's not doing it because his caucus members themselves are divided and don't want to put on the record on this issue.

Paul Ryan has no excuse. He's simply beholden to the likes of Steve King.
 
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