The liberal approach has failed

anonymous

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The liberal approach to solving this nations problems has failed. What are they offering us other than more spending, more government control of our daily lives, more wars and more spending? All the while incomes for the average American have not changed appreciably since the seventies while the value of the dollar has continued it's slide downward.

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Babba

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All of this is not the fault of liberals. This all came about through a combination of things. Ironically, it all began under Reagan with his declaring government to be the enemy and encouraging tax cuts, although even he had to raise taxes once he realized it actually did mean lower revenues, durrrrrrr. But also under his encouragement with his hate the government rhetoric came deregulation of big business and big money. Small business and lower income people get screwed. Along with all of this came bigger and bigger influence of money in politics. Especially after the SCOTUS declared money speech and then declared that corporations are people even though they can't be punished like people. Two of the dumbest decisions ever made by the court.

All of this has given big business and big money more and more power every day. And We, the People have less power day by day.

Added to all of that, the conservatives push to reduce individual rights. They want to tell women how to deal with their health issues and try to keep gays from marrying. They're also going after voting rights. And they're cool with the ridiculous and rising income gap that is dangerous to our economic system and our form of government. So blaming the spending and the reduction of rights solely on liberals is ridiculous.
 
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anonymous

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All of this is not the fault of liberals. This all came about through a combination of things. Ironically, it all began under Reagan with his declaring government to be the enemy and encouraging tax cuts, although even he had to raise taxes once he realized it actually did mean lower revenues, durrrrrrr. But also under his encouragement with his hate the government rhetoric came deregulation of big business and big money. Small business and lower income people get screwed. Along with all of this came bigger and bigger influence of money in politics. Especially after the SCOTUS declared money speech and then declared that corporations are people even though they can't be punished like people. Two of the dumbest decisions ever made by the court.

All of this has given big business and big money more and more power every day. And We, the People have less power day by day.

Added to all of that, the conservatives push to reduce individual rights. They want to tell women how to deal with their health issues and try to keep gays from marrying. They're also going after voting rights. And they're cool with the ridiculous and rising income gap that is dangerous to our economic system and our form of government. So blaming the spending and the reduction of rights solely on liberals is ridiculous.
No it's not ridiculous, Liberalism has led to moral decay and with that a decline in personal responsibility. I have long been an advocate of no personal income tax, regardless of what the parties want. I do know that we can not continue this path of continuous debt spending with no appreciable impact upon the economy other than crimping demand and higher taxes which drives growth down along with a declining dollar. So, as time progresses we pay more for less.
 
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webrockk

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"Unfairness" and "inequity" are inherent byproducts of individual natural rights
to "fix" the former, progressives must trample on the latter.

systemically fucking with human nature fails every. single. time.
 
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Babba

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No it's not ridiculous, Liberalism has led to moral decay and with that a decline in personal responsibility. I have long been an advocate of no personal income tax, regardless of what the parties want. I do know that we can not continue this path of continuous debt spending with no appreciable impact upon the economy other than crimping demand and higher taxes which drives growth down along with a declining dollar. So, as time progresses we pay more for less.
It is absurd to suggest that our social safety net encourages people not to work, which I presume is what you're suggesting about liberals. It's much too sparse and skimpy to cause that. We have to have taxes of some sort and whatever kind it was conservatives would still bitch about them. If it wasn't for the spending the government is currently doing, there would be even less demand. The government needs to spend much more than it is in order to return to full employment at which point tax revenues would increase considerably and reduce the debt and deficit considerably. Because taxes on the wealthy have been reduced so much over the past 3-4 decades, taxes on the middle and lower income has had to go up.
 
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It is absurd to suggest that our social safety net encourages people not to work, which I presume is what you're suggesting about liberals. It's much too sparse and skimpy to cause that. We have to have taxes of some sort and whatever kind it was conservatives would still bitch about them. If it wasn't for the spending the government is currently doing, there would be even less demand. The government needs to spend much more than it is in order to return to full employment at which point tax revenues would increase considerably and reduce the debt and deficit considerably. Because taxes on the wealthy have been reduced so much over the past 3-4 decades, taxes on the middle and lower income has had to go up.
All of the income redistribution in this country for the last 30 years has been from the middle class to the 1%, and Wingers and Baggers are good with that, and want it to continue and accelerate. They are feudalists at heart and love to bow and scrape before their betters. Conservatives were fighting for King George during the Revolution, after all.
 
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All of the income redistribution in this country for the last 30 years has been from the middle class to the 1%, and Wingers and Baggers are good with that, and want it to continue and accelerate. They are feudalists at heart and love to bow and scrape before their betters. Conservatives were fighting for King George during the Revolution, after all.
Exactly. These people are nothing more than modern-day Tories with a Stockholm Syndrome love for their oppressors. Their so-called "opposite" liberalism isn't the answer either. Then again, mainstream media followers never get the whole story.
 
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It is absurd to suggest that our social safety net encourages people not to work, which I presume is what you're suggesting about liberals. It's much too sparse and skimpy to cause that. We have to have taxes of some sort and whatever kind it was conservatives would still bitch about them. If it wasn't for the spending the government is currently doing, there would be even less demand. The government needs to spend much more than it is in order to return to full employment at which point tax revenues would increase considerably and reduce the debt and deficit considerably. Because taxes on the wealthy have been reduced so much over the past 3-4 decades, taxes on the middle and lower income has had to go up.
amazing the ignorance of an american con. Total separate universe with FOX 'facts' raped into their brains.
In reality, when human knows the actual facts, how economy works, how to put 2+2 together, etc, etc..
the regress and demise of the middle class started with Reagan, taxation now is way less than it was before, financial system has been deregulated- one of the major reasons for the latest recession, the gambling and recklessness of our banks, but for cons it all does not exist.
Cons are basiacllay alive and can read write and use internet-thanks for liberalism and liberals who put great effort into improving this country, making it #1 at one time.
 
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webrockk

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"Far too skimpy". Of the near 115 million individual income tax filers, only about 68 million's tax remittances represent actual net revenue to the federal fisc....the others represent a net loss. (EITC, or "wage subsidies" is a primary factor.)

and of the roughly 144 million who represent America's "workforce", 40 million, give or take, derive their incomes directly or indirectly from other taxpayers.

Macrowise, I contend that everyone who doesn't contribute net net to the public fisc is a beneficiary of some form of centrally planned, outcome based "social safety net" program. YMMV.
 
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