The problems of a metropolis

The Man

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Moscow is truly representative of many very large cities in the world in the problems and issues it faces.

From 2002 to 2010, the city's population grew by more than a million, from 10,382,754 to 11,514,330.


Historical populations

Year Pop. ± %
1897 1,038,625 —
1926 2,019,500 + 94.4%
1939 4,137,000 + 104.9%
1959 5,032,000 + 21.6%
1970 6,941,961 + 38.0%
1979 7,830,509 + 12.8%
1989 8,769,117 + 12.0%
2002 10,382,754 + 18.4%
2010 11,514,330 + 10.9%
This is not counting the 1-2,000,000 illegal immigrants, from Central Asia, China, and now also Vietnam. According to Russia's Federal Migration Service, Moscow also contains 1,800,000 official "guests" who have temporary residency on the basis of visas or other documentation.

In January of 2011, Moscow's population stood at 11,551,930 people. This makes for a yearly growth of 0,73% or 83,665 people.

This growth is a unique phenomenon in Russia, which, of course, had underwent a demographic crisis in the 90s and earlier 2000s, with its population shrinking from 148,000,000 in 1991 to 142,000,000 today. Moscow's population growth can be attributed to 2 factors.

Factor 1 is immigration and internal migration.

Many thousands of people, students, workers, criminals lol (yes... it is true, well, Moscow is where the money is) and other "guests" from other parts of Russia, other former Soviet republics and, increasingly, elsewhere, arrive to the Russian capital every day.

Factor 2 is natural growth. Besides the Federal government's "maternity capital" (300,000 rubes or about $10,000 per second and subsequent child), the municipal government also adds a further $10,000 for Muscovite families with 2 or more children. As a result, since 2001, the birth rate in the city climbed every year since, from 7 births per 1,000 people then to around 12 per 1,000 now.


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jackalope

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Factor 2 is natural growth. Besides the Federal government's "maternity capital" (300,000 rubes or about $10,000 per second and subsequent child), the municipal government also adds a further $10,000 for Muscovite families with 2 or more children. As a result, since 2001, the birth rate in the city climbed every year since, from 7 births per 1,000 people then to around 12 per 1,000 now.


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wow on that pic ....


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The Man

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The problem is, Moscow infrastructure did not grow along with its population. It largely remained at 1989 levels, when the population stood at about 9 million.

As a result, the city is overcrowded, to the extreme. In the subway, the Metro, people are pressed into each other

It is hard, at peak hours, to find even standing room.

The roads are completely choked with traffic


There is also a dire lack of spots at schools and kindergartens, with 30,000 children unable to attend kindergarten this year. The situation has become so urgent that last year, the city authorities even dared raise their hand on Putin's youth moveent, Nashi, forcibly evicting them from their headquarters, an old kindergarten building, and renovating it for its original purpose.

Another kind of issue this had created is a sort of religious one. Counting illegals, Moscow's Muslim population now stands at as many as 3 to 4 million. The city, however, has only 6 mosques, 2 of which were only built last year, and the oldest, the 100 year old Moscow Cathedral Mosque, currently closed for renovation, with parts of it demolished completely to make room for new expansions. As result, tens of thousands are forced to pray on the street

This has irritated non-Muslim locals and raised inter-ethnic tensions. As a result, far right groups are flourishing in Moscow.

The nationalist "Russian March" attracted 2,000 in 2007; 5,000 in 2008; 7,000 in 2009; 12,000 in 2010; and they expect 20,000 this year


The reason I post this, is because I belive other large cities, especially in Europe, like Paris, are experiencing similar issues. I am not even sure what can be done about it...
 

jackalope

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Holy cow on the crowded subway pic and the praying in the street pic !!
 

Tedminator

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The problem is, Moscow infrastructure did not grow along with its population. It largely remained at 1989 levels, when the population stood at about 9 million.

As a result, the city is overcrowded, to the extreme.
People move to the cities because thats where they can get a job. Perhaps Moscow should invest in it's infrastructure to accomodate it's growing population. or..



There is also a dire lack of spots at schools and kindergartens, with 30,000 children unable to attend kindergarten this year. The situation has become so urgent that last year, the city authorities even dared raise their hand on Putin's youth moveent, Nashi, forcibly evicting them from their headquarters, an old kindergarten building, and renovating it for its original purpose.

The reason I post this, is because I belive other large cities, especially in Europe, like Paris, are experiencing similar issues. I am not even sure what can be done about it...
Could try what the chicomms are doing to convince the migrants to move back to the countryside.. blow up schools in the cities and deny them services.


BBC News - Migrant schools closed in Chinese capital
Under China's household registration (or Hukou) system, its tens of millions of migrant workers remain registered in their home towns even if they move to the city to work. Without a "city" registration, they do not have access to some state-subsidised services, like health and education.
 

The Man

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People move to the cities because thats where they can get a job. Perhaps Moscow should invest in it's infrastructure to accomodate it's growing population. or..





Could try what the chicomms are doing to convince the migrants to move back to the countryside.. blow up schools in the cities and deny them services.


BBC News - Migrant schools closed in Chinese capital
Under China's household registration (or Hukou) system, its tens of millions of migrant workers remain registered in their home towns even if they move to the city to work. Without a "city" registration, they do not have access to some state-subsidised services, like health and education.
First option seems better. Moscow cannot, at this point, afford to go without migrants. In fact, i will tell you, migrants are what is sustaining the city at this point.

Kyrgyz clean the streets


Uzbeks, Tajiks, and Moldovans work on construction sites


Azerbaijanis, Armenians, and smaller numbers of Chinese and Vietnamese work as vendors at street markets


Basically, immigrants do everything in Moscow that the locals are too proud or whatever to do. Moscow needs its immigrants. I suspect Paris, London, Berlin, etc, are similar. As for registration, they have that. China learned that from Russia lol
 
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The Man

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Holy cow on the crowded subway pic and the praying in the street pic !!
That's Kurban Bairam. Greatest holiday for Russian Muslims. I think in other parts of the world it is also celebrated, but they call it something else.
 
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sparsely

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Why is it necessary for muslims to pray in the streets? Can they not do so in their homes or offices? With traffic and commuter routes as packed as they are, isn't this just a public nuisance?
 

The Man

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Why is it necessary for muslims to pray in the streets? Can they not do so in their homes or offices? With traffic and commuter routes as packed as they are, isn't this just a public nuisance?
That is the main complaint, that they are blocking the roads and impeding traffic. But the Muslims say they really do have nowhere else to go. Some groups that represent Moscow Muslims have asked for permission to take over old, empty buildings and use those as mosques and community centers. But the government has been rather slow on that.

See, that natonalists are rather illogical people. When Muslims pray on the street, they protest. When Muslims apply for permission to build a mosque, so they don't have to pray on that same street, they (nationalists) protest too. It is becoming hard to understand what they want, exactly... All Muslims to leave Moscow? Impossible. At least half of Muscovite Muslims are Tatars, Bashkirs, and people from North Caucasus. Russian citizens, born in Russia, and, under the Constitution, they have a right to live anywhere they want in the Federation. And even among the illegals, the Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc, there is a movement, growing, to legalize. To many now, getting a passport has become more important than getting a job

Those that do become citizens also cannot be deported anymore. And the "guest workers" are becoming more vocal. Many do not want, anymore, to be the slave caste that they used to be and still are, in many ways. they are standing up for themselves, uniting, fighting for better wages, better work conditions, safety on job sites

"Russia is our second Motherland!"

It is truly disturbing, the plight of these poor people. The illegal "guest workers" live in God forsaken places. Just recently, 250 of them were discovered by the Migration Service in an abandoned bunker on the outskirts

The real scandal was that the Uzbek illegals were working... in a secret defence industry factory
Moscow Police Find 'Underground Town' of Migrant Workers | News | The Moscow Times

Biggest illegal "underground city" was discovered under the now closed Cherkizovsky market, in Cherkizovo district
http://allnewstv.ru/proish/nelegalov-s-cherkizona-vyshlyut-iz-rossii.html
Under "Cherkizon", as it was referred to by locals, and by under I mean literally, under, in underground tunnels, lived 250,000 illegal immigrants.