The road America is on, thanks to spineless and partisan republicans.....

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I'm well aware that Mueller included that statement along the same notes, something to the effect that "just because we couldn't prove guilt does not mean he is innocent" which is completely wrong.
No, it's a fact. A person being presumed innocent is not the same as a person being innocent. That presumed innocent person may yet turn out to be innocent... but he may be guilty also. It's easy enough to demonstrate. Every criminal in jail today was presumed innocent before being proven guilty. Also, there are recorded cases where defendants are released not because their guilt or innocence was demonstrated, but because of procedural error. Other times you might have a talented lawyer that is able to get their client off in spite of their factual guilt.

All of this is common sense.
 
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No, it's a fact. A person being presumed innocent is not the same as a person being innocent. That presumed innocent person may yet turn out to be innocent... but he may be guilty also. It's easy enough to demonstrate. Every criminal in jail today was presumed innocent before being proven guilty. Also, there are recorded cases where defendants are released not because their guilt or innocence was demonstrated, but because of procedural error. Other times you might have a talented lawyer that is able to get their client off in spite of their factual guilt.

All of this is common sense.
Right, but in this case, when there were specific charges laid and no evidence could be found to indict, that is vindication.
On the other hand, many point to Comey clearing Clinton. He listed a series of crimes, and then said that nobody would ever look into it. Which is what you are implying happened with Mueller.

So, at the end of the day, if the prosecution fails to make a case stronger than insinuation, after years of investigation to FIND A CRIME (as oppose to starting with a crime and finding those responsible), they just made a shitty case.

The response and results show that the show was devastating to the Democrat party. So, we didn't even end up seeing an OJ situation where he was declared innocent by a judge and everyone knew he was guilty, a case later proven and confessed about.