The "They Were Really A Liberal All Along" Catalog

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It's become a regular and reliable conservative tradition to denounce their own as having really been a liberal all along as soon as they either publicly fail at something or attempt any action that could be interpreted as reaching across the aisle. This is true of former presidents, presidential candidates, supreme court justices, senators, representatives, vice presidents, cabinet members, governors, and commentators. It makes one wonder if we'll ever see the rare sighting of the elusive true conservative. Does such an animal actually exist?
I am the mold for the true conservative.
 
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Good

Maybe you can define the term 'true conservative" for us. It seems lots of folks think being a religious authoritarian is the same thing, but I disagree. Probably you do too.
Certainly, conservative is a term applied to people who watch Hannity and yell at democrats.

A true conservative is one that understands and believes in the principles that conservatism embraces.

It is a belief in a series of sentiments, not ideological dogmata.

Conservatism embraces some principles such as belief in a moral order. You used religious authoritarian but that is a weak definition, while I am very religions you need not be to practice conservatism. You must however believe in a moral order.

We believe in custom, tradition and permanence. It builds continuity within our system and ties in very closely with our belief in morality. Progressivism is the anthesis to this belief.

We believe in prudence. As Burke summarized, we believe in the long term effects of decisions while liberals and libertarians rush ahead with only a single goal in site. This ties into our tradition belief.

There are many more ideals but the biggest one is this. We understand that humanity is not perfect and that horrors do and will continue to exist. This makes the wish of a Utopia fruitless because we know that once that is achieved or even attempted that the human psyche is not prepared for it and it will not make things work better, people will break out from that. What we do is strive to put things in place to limit the effects of bad behavior, not to eradicate them.

Ban all guns or end climate change are philosophies we cannot embrace, it is much better to proceed with caution and prudence and establish ways to reduce negative impacts.

Essentially that is what a true conservative is.
 
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Certainly, conservative is a term applied to people who watch Hannity and yell at democrats.

A true conservative is one that understands and believes in the principles that conservatism embraces.

It is a belief in a series of sentiments, not ideological dogmata.

Conservatism embraces some principles such as belief in a moral order. You used religious authoritarian but that is a weak definition, while I am very religions you need not be to practice conservatism. You must however believe in a moral order.

We believe in custom, tradition and permanence. It builds continuity within our system and ties in very closely with our belief in morality. Progressivism is the anthesis to this belief.

We believe in prudence. As Burke summarized, we believe in the long term effects of decisions while liberals and libertarians rush ahead with only a single goal in site. This ties into our tradition belief.

There are many more ideals but the biggest one is this. We understand that humanity is not perfect and that horrors do and will continue to exist. This makes the wish of a Utopia fruitless because we know that once that is achieved or even attempted that the human psyche is not prepared for it and it will not make things work better, people will break out from that. What we do is strive to put things in place to limit the effects of bad behavior, not to eradicate them.

Ban all guns or end climate change are philosophies we cannot embrace, it is much better to proceed with caution and prudence and establish ways to reduce negative impacts.

Essentially that is what a true conservative is.
But you are a Trump supporter, so I have to suspect the moral order you speak of is corrupt, and your beliefs in custom, tradition and permanence are long gone.

There is no way I can consider you conservative though you certainly are right-wing
 
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But you are a Trump supporter, so I have to suspect the moral order you speak of is corrupt, and your beliefs in custom, tradition and permanence are long gone
I wasn't responding to you.

If I were I would have just settled for drawing you a picture.