This is sure to help the "peace process" in Arab/Israeli relations and the Middle East.....

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"Trump Administration Says Israeli Settlements Aren’t Illegal"

An attempt to distract from impeachment?
An American President's endorsement of a lost leader?

More defiance deconstruction wrecking ball policies, for the sake of pissing people off and cause chaos more chaos in the world?

What will Trump's legacy be? A bull in a China shop?

Can Trump do anything, but tear things apart? Some people find power in the good they can do and the positive things they can build. Trump seems to find his power in wrecking and or undoing things and siding negative human values to see how many people he can piss off.
 

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"Trump Administration Says Israeli Settlements Aren’t Illegal"

An attempt to distract from impeachment?
An American President's endorsement of a lost leader?

More defiance deconstruction wrecking ball policies, for the sake of pissing people off and cause chaos more chaos in the world?

What will Trump's legacy be? A bull in a China shop?

Can Trump do anything, but tear things apart? Some people find power in the good they can do and the positive things they can build. Trump seems to find his power in wrecking and or undoing things and siding negative human values to see how many people he can piss off.
Since it is their land anyway ,it is the right thing. There is no such thing as a "Palistinian".
 
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Since it is their land anyway ,it is the right thing. There is no such thing as a "Palistinian".
So if I steal your land and you and everyone calls it stealing, but for a friend who decides to change his mind and side with me in order to piss you and everyone else off, its no longer the stealing of your land, but my land?

This guy nailed the crux of the current problem way back in 1891:

"In his book "Wrestling with Zion," he urged the Jews "not to provoke the anger of the native people by doing them wrong...we should be cautious in our dealings with a foreign people among whom we returned to live, to handle these people with love and respect and, needless to say, with justice and good judgment. And what do our brothers do? Exactly the opposite! They were slaves in their Diasporas, and suddenly they find themselves with unlimited freedom, wild freedom that only a country like Turkey [the Ottoman Empire] can offer. This sudden change has planted despotic tendencies in their hearts, as always happens to former slaves ['eved ki yimlokh – when a slave becomes king – Proverbs 30:22]. They deal with the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly, beat them shamefully for no sufficient reason, and even boast about their actions. There is no one to stop the flood and put an end to this despicable and dangerous tendency. Our brothers indeed were right when they said that the Arab only respects he who exhibits bravery and courage. But when these people feel that the law is on their rival's side and, even more so, if they are right to think their rival's actions are unjust and oppressive, then, even if they are silent and endlessly reserved, they keep their anger in their hearts. And these people will be revengeful like no other."[14]

While this might gain Trump some Israeli votes, I'm not sure how it is going to come across to a lot, perhaps most, American Jews.





Considering the international and especially British help, as administrator of the mandate, that was provided to further open the door for resettlement of the area known as Palestine to those who had previously lost it and how that led to recognition of a nation status, by the same organization that has condemned that nation's occupation of territory claimed as the results of a war that nation engaged in, one might believe Israel would connect the dots to the way so many Jews were treated throughout the world and in pogroms with what they have done to displace Palestinian people and deprive them of the same assistance and right of a "homeland" just as Jews were assisted in the formulation of a religious homeland for themselves on territory they wish to claim solely for Jews. Who would NOT wish to reclaim ancestral "homelands"? No doubt there may be countless First People's of the America's that would wish the same, but who has stood up for them when it comes to any thoughts of their reclaiming the lands of their ancestors? Who would, in the same way some did, when it came to helping to formulate what became Israel as a Jewish religious homeland, a nation that does not claim to be a theocracy, but has termed criticism or non-support for its actions in terms of support for Jews or anti-Semitism.

The terms of the following written support are very clear, but were not adhered to and followed the same avenue Ahad Ha'am observed and warned against.

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Both Ha'am and the above Declaration of support, pointed to concern for the way Palestinians were being treated or might possibly be treated as confirmed by what the world has witnessed and continues to witness, in spite of attempts to downplay it or claim that anyone who stands up for Palestinian's rights, is anti-Semitic.

No, discrimination by majority, is not right, but supporting democratic mechanisms, when they work in one's favor and working to defy them when they don't renders any meaning or purpose behind adhering to democratic vote and majority decision, mute and meaningless.

The question Americans should ask themselves is whether Trump's America is American's America or is American's America, something quite different. How many Americans really what Trump to represent them OR America? Ja, polls are polls, but what have they consistently shown with regard to where the majority stands on Trump?

Either Trump is looking for a distraction from the impeachment inquiry or he just gets some odd pleasure from pissing off a large segment of America and American allies.
 
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So if I steal your land and you and everyone calls it stealing, but for a friend who decides to change his mind and side with me in order to piss you and everyone else off, its no longer the stealing of your land, but my land?
Israel has been there for 3000 years. AKA Judah ,Galilee ,Samnia, Canaan. The ARABS can't make that claim. Need another History lesson? After Israel made that Desert bloom ,the Arabs came in like beggars looking for a job. There has never ,in all History ,been a "State of Palistine". It was made up.
 

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Since it is their land anyway ,it is the right thing. There is no such thing as a "Palistinian".
The West Bank? That was the Heshimite Kingdom of Transjordan, a British protectorate and before that the Ottoman Empire. It was never part of Israel unless you think Israel's taking it after 1967 is a permanent condition.

Not only is absorbing the West Bank a travesty, it will destroy Israel.
 

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The West Bank? That was the Heshimite Kingdom of Transjordan, a British protectorate and before that the Ottoman Empire. It was never part of Israel unless you think Israel's taking it after 1967 is a permanent condition.

Not only is absorbing the West Bank a travesty, it will destroy Israel.
Better buy a History book.
 
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Israel has been there for 3000 years. AKA Judah ,Galilee ,Samnia, Canaan. The ARABS can't make that claim. Need another History lesson? After Israel made that Desert bloom ,the Arabs came in like beggars looking for a job. There has never ,in all History ,been a "State of Palistine". It was made up.
Excuse me? Can you claim to have been here longer than the First People? if not, do they have the same claim to your property, you're suggesting someone else should have because they were there first, even though they lost the land how many years before the modern day Israel was formed with help from the same people that some Israelis are giving the finger to? You seem to live under double standards.

Apparently you didn't like to hear what Ha'am said about how his own people treated Arabs. So what else is new?

"But this is a grave mistake. The Arab, like all the Semites, is sharp minded and shrewd. All the townships of Syria and Eretz Yisrael are full of Arab merchants who know how to exploit the masses and keep track of everyone with whom they deal – the same as in Europe. The Arabs, especially the urban elite, see and understand what we are doing and what we wish to do on the land, but they keep quiet and pretend not to notice anything. For now, they do not consider our actions as presenting a future danger to them. … But, if the time comes that our people's life in Eretz Yisrael will develop to a point where we are taking their place, either slightly or significantly, the natives are not going to just step aside so easily.[13] "

So if a Jew dislikes, hates, discriminates against or kills an Arab, are they being anti-Semitic? Is Ha'am, a Jew, by pointing out exactly what the problem was and still is that is the same problem that the UN and others have pointed out, being anti-Semitic?


Why don't we begin with how the term "anti-Semitic" is used by some people in contrast to what defines being a Semite.

"Although the term now has wide currency, it is a misnomer, since it implies a discrimination against all Semites. Arabs and other peoples are also Semites, and yet they are not the targets of anti-Semitism as it is usually understood. The term is especially inappropriate as a label for the anti-Jewish prejudices, statements, or actions of Arabs or other Semites. "

While Hitler made it about Jews as a religion and heritage and sought to work a genocide, for many people, including many Jews, what is currently going on in Israel and the territory known as Palestine and Palestinia areas/past and present is about acceptable and unacceptable human behavior, NOT religion. No side is blameless, when it comes to unacceptable behavior, but there is a need for mutual recognition.
 
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