Trump involved Pence in efforts to pressure Ukraine’s leader

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The prosecutor was investigating a company that employed Biden's son. Now I know you don't think past partisan talking points but did it ever occur to you to wonder why this company hired Biden's son in the first place? He didn't have any experience in energy production and he landed on their board of directors. They wanted that that a contact with the highest levels of US government.
It probably never once occurred to you that Biden pressuring them to fire Shokin was a conflict of interest. Of course not. Your whole entire thought process is "Democrats good. Trump bad." No matter what corrupt, dishonest or even racist thing Democrats like Biden say or do, you'll be right along to carry water for them.
Totally BS and GOP spin.
the prosecutor was protecting corruption and the whole world wanted him gone.
 
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This entire fake news story has crashed and burned because we now know that Ukraine reopened the investigation in early 2019.


A conspiracy among Schiff, the leaker, the leaker's attorneys, and others. A criminal conspiracy right in front of our eyes.
 
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The prosecutor was investigating a company that employed Biden's son. Now I know you don't think past partisan talking points but did it ever occur to you to wonder why this company hired Biden's son in the first place? He didn't have any experience in energy production and he landed on their board of directors. They wanted that that a contact with the highest levels of US government.
It probably never once occurred to you that Biden pressuring them to fire Shokin was a conflict of interest. Of course not. Your whole entire thought process is "Democrats good. Trump bad." No matter what corrupt, dishonest or even racist thing Democrats like Biden say or do, you'll be right along to carry water for them.
How did Ivanka, Donald Jr., and Eric get a job? There's no law that says you can't help your kids. You must be outraged over the people that Trump gave jobs too. Most of them had no experience in the department they're heading. How many threads have you started on that?

Our Allies wanted the prosecutor fired too.

My thought process? Your the one who claims you didn't vote for Trump but here you are again. That's downright pitiful.

The number one priority is getting Trump the fuck out of the White House.

Call your representative and tell them you want Biden investigated.:lol:

Yes, Trump bad, Democrats good.
 
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This entire fake news story has crashed and burned because we now know that Ukraine reopened the investigation in early 2019.


A conspiracy among Schiff, the leaker, the leaker's attorneys, and others. A criminal conspiracy right in front of our eyes.
What did Trump do now?
 
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How did Ivanka, Donald Jr., and Eric get a job? There's no law that says you can't help your kids. You must be outraged over the people that Trump gave jobs too. Most of them had no experience in the department they're heading. How many threads have you started on that?

Our Allies wanted the prosecutor fired too.

My thought process? Your the one who claims you didn't vote for Trump but here you are again. That's downright pitiful.

The number one priority is getting Trump the fuck out of the White House.

Call your representative and tell them you want Biden investigated.:lol:

Yes, Trump bad, Democrats good.
Are you fucking kidding with this? There absolutely are laws against using government power for personal benefit. How do you not know that?
If you're looking for me to defend Trump and his hiring practices then don't hold your breath. But don't think for one second that it justified whatever Democrat malfeasance that you want to blindly defend.
 
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But a vice president directly threatening to withhold foreign aid to protect the company his son works for was fine. Just fine.
Why do you insist on lying? Are you that desperate to pretend you were right that even lying isn't beneath you? At least the elected GOP are worried Trump is going to primary them but what's your excuse?

You do realize that Former President under Shokin (Poroshenkts o) is currently the focus of over a dozen criminal investigations and now has recanted his story about Biden.
**On Oct 2, 2019 Poroshenko retracts the story that Biden told him to fire Shokin to stop the investigation into
Burisma.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Luckily the real documents were on file with copies of letters sent from Shokin's office confirming the case into the company Burismas'' owner Zlochevsky was closed. Why in the world would anybody accept documents from Shokin and Poroshenko who are as corrupt as the day is long?

See for yourself below the time line and the fact the prosecutor Shokin had resigned
months before Feb 2016 but on paper only. By March 2016 he was back in the office leading to an even bigger up roar that resulted in his finally being fired in April 2016.

There was a British investigation in 2014-2015 and Burisma's owner was the subject of it so they had to know if an investigation was open in Ukraine involving him or his company.

Shokin’s Office sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him.


Feb. 16, 2016 – Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin resigns, then returns to office before finally being ousted

Ukrainian news media report on Feb. 16 that Viktor Shokin resigned as Prosecutor General after months of intense criticism for failing to adequately pursue any major corruption cases. But wait … despite President Poroshenko’s public call that day that Shokin resign and the apparent submission of a resignation letter on Feb. 19, media cited a prosecutor in Shokin’s office on March 16 saying the chief prosecutor was back after a “long leave.” Finally, on March 29, the Parliament voted overwhelmingly to approve Poroshenko’s recommendation to dismiss Shokin.

The European Union issued a statement hailing his departure. The respected English-language Kyiv Post writes, “By the end of his term, he was likely one of the most unpopular figures in Ukraine, having earned a bad reputation for inaction and obstructing top cases.” The paper also says it “wasn’t able to find any public comments that Shokin made about [Burisma] during his 14 months in office.”

Feb. 18 and 19, 2016 – Vice President Biden speaks by phone with Ukrainian President Poroshenko. The Feb. 19 U.S. Embassy statement says Biden again urged the Ukrainian leader to “to accelerate Ukraine’s efforts to fight corruption, strengthen justice and the rule of law, and fulfill its IMF requirements.”

April 14, 2016 – Vice President Biden speaks with Ukrainian President Poroshenko by phone, emphasizing “the urgency of putting in place a new Prosecutor General who would bolster the agency’s anti-corruption efforts and strongly support the work of its reformers.” Biden does the same in a call the same day with newly elected Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman.

See also entries above: At time of British investigation in 2014-2015, Shokin’s Office sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him.

Timeline: Trump, Giuliani, Bidens, and Ukraine (updated)
A chronology of "Ukrainegate" and the Trump-Giuliani pressure on Ukraine to investigate former Vice President and 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden.
www.justsecurity.org
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

The Invention of the Conspiracy Theory on Biden and Ukraine
How a conservative dark-money group that targeted Hillary Clinton in 2016 spread the discredited story that may lead to Donald Trump’s impeachment.

www.newyorker.com

Note: Solomon and Fox News’s Sean Hannity are among a constellation of conservative media figures who regularly help spread Trump and Giuliani’s Biden and Manafort theories. Solomon was moved to the opinion section at The Hill, and announced Sept. 18, 2019, that he was leaving the publication. (See also an examination of Solomon in the Washington Post on Sept. 26.)


Facts are a bitch when they don't support the narrative. I think Trump, Giuliani and Biden are learning the lesson the hard way. If I were Biden's son I'd sue the shit out of all three men because all the evidence says the man are lying and Hunter is not a public figure so libel laws are on his side. How about suing them for 20 million each?

Political Hotwire thread Sen. John Cornyn (R) confirms Trump is using DOJ to investigate Biden
 

Macduff

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Why do you insist on lying? Are you that desperate to pretend you were right that even lying isn't beneath you? At least the elected GOP are worried Trump is going to primary them but what's your excuse?

You do realize that Former President under Shokin (Poroshenkts o) is currently the focus of over a dozen criminal investigations and now has recanted his story about Biden.
**On Oct 2, 2019 Poroshenko retracts the story that Biden told him to fire Shokin to stop the investigation into
Burisma.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Luckily the real documents were on file with copies of letters sent from Shokin's office confirming the case into the company Burismas'' owner Zlochevsky was closed. Why in the world would anybody accept documents from Shokin and Poroshenko who are as corrupt as the day is long?

See for yourself below the time line and the fact the prosecutor Shokin had resigned
months before Feb 2016 but on paper only. By March 2016 he was back in the office leading to an even bigger up roar that resulted in his finally being fired in April 2016.

There was a British investigation in 2014-2015 and Burisma's owner was the subject of it so they had to know if an investigation was open in Ukraine involving him or his company.

Shokin’s Office sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him.


Feb. 16, 2016 – Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin resigns, then returns to office before finally being ousted

Ukrainian news media report on Feb. 16 that Viktor Shokin resigned as Prosecutor General after months of intense criticism for failing to adequately pursue any major corruption cases. But wait … despite President Poroshenko’s public call that day that Shokin resign and the apparent submission of a resignation letter on Feb. 19, media cited a prosecutor in Shokin’s office on March 16 saying the chief prosecutor was back after a “long leave.” Finally, on March 29, the Parliament voted overwhelmingly to approve Poroshenko’s recommendation to dismiss Shokin.

The European Union issued a statement hailing his departure. The respected English-language Kyiv Post writes, “By the end of his term, he was likely one of the most unpopular figures in Ukraine, having earned a bad reputation for inaction and obstructing top cases.” The paper also says it “wasn’t able to find any public comments that Shokin made about [Burisma] during his 14 months in office.”

Feb. 18 and 19, 2016 – Vice President Biden speaks by phone with Ukrainian President Poroshenko. The Feb. 19 U.S. Embassy statement says Biden again urged the Ukrainian leader to “to accelerate Ukraine’s efforts to fight corruption, strengthen justice and the rule of law, and fulfill its IMF requirements.”

April 14, 2016 – Vice President Biden speaks with Ukrainian President Poroshenko by phone, emphasizing “the urgency of putting in place a new Prosecutor General who would bolster the agency’s anti-corruption efforts and strongly support the work of its reformers.” Biden does the same in a call the same day with newly elected Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman.

See also entries above: At time of British investigation in 2014-2015, Shokin’s Office sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him.

Timeline: Trump, Giuliani, Bidens, and Ukraine (updated)
A chronology of "Ukrainegate" and the Trump-Giuliani pressure on Ukraine to investigate former Vice President and 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden.
www.justsecurity.org
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

The Invention of the Conspiracy Theory on Biden and Ukraine
How a conservative dark-money group that targeted Hillary Clinton in 2016 spread the discredited story that may lead to Donald Trump’s impeachment.

www.newyorker.com

Note: Solomon and Fox News’s Sean Hannity are among a constellation of conservative media figures who regularly help spread Trump and Giuliani’s Biden and Manafort theories. Solomon was moved to the opinion section at The Hill, and announced Sept. 18, 2019, that he was leaving the publication. (See also an examination of Solomon in the Washington Post on Sept. 26.)


Facts are a bitch when they don't support the narrative. I think Trump, Giuliani and Biden are learning the lesson the hard way. If I were Biden's son I'd sue the shit out of all three men because all the evidence says the man are lying and Hunter is not a public figure so libel laws are on his side. How about suing them for 20 million each?

Political Hotwire thread Sen. John Cornyn (R) confirms Trump is using DOJ to investigate Biden
How blind are you people? I directly quoted Biden and even linked to video of him saying so.
How on earth do you partisans see a quid pro quo in the Trump phone call and then turn into Helen Keller when it comes to Biden?
You want to know why Hunter Biden doesn't sue? Because he has no case. He knows that he has spent his life coasting on his daddy's name. He doesn't get hired by these companies for his skill set. He gets hired because it was an easy connection to the highest levels of the US government.
Dictators all over the world have to work very hard to get the kind of mindless obedience from their populaces that Democrats give their politicians for free.