Trump: Oakland is trying to delay our asylee sanctuary resettlement plan | Oakland: Come on, send em

Apr 2018
10,204
2,550
oregon
#61
It's just as well. The "surge" we've seen in recent months is almost 100 percent people going to ports of entry and claiming asylum.

Most of them are not justifiable asylum cases and will ultimately be rejected. For now, though, gotta do something with them.
I liked the policy of leaving them in mexico until their case is decided. We are being taken advantage of due to our generous nature. At some point, it has to stop. We can't process hordes of refugee seekers quickly enough. There needs to be some discouragement. If mexico lets them in, mexico can house them.
 

Singularity

Former Staff
Oct 2009
31,818
25,379
Kansas
#62
I liked the policy of leaving them in mexico until their case is decided. We are being taken advantage of due to our generous nature. At some point, it has to stop. We can't process hordes of refugee seekers quickly enough. There needs to be some discouragement. If mexico lets them in, mexico can house them.
That's a matter of law. The Mexican approach has merit, but we are committed by federal law to provide shelter and basic resources to anyone who enters and makes a lawful, credible claim of asylum that requires a hearing to suss out. Keeping them on foreign soil is not an option. If that's not how it should be, time to change the law.
 
Apr 2018
10,204
2,550
oregon
#63
That's a matter of law. The Mexican approach has merit, but we are committed by federal law to provide shelter and basic resources to anyone who enters and makes a lawful, credible claim of asylum that requires a hearing to suss out. Keeping them on foreign soil is not an option. If that's not how it should be, time to change the law.
Or take the obama route: just do things and let the courts decide at a much later date.
 

Singularity

Former Staff
Oct 2009
31,818
25,379
Kansas
#64
Or take the obama route: just do things and let the courts decide at a much later date.
We're well past that being the "Obama route." Trump is spending money over Congress' express objections.

Whether on that matter or any potential violation of asylum law, the judicial outcome seems inevitable.

If it isn't, well, then the rule of law is basically at an end. I really don't think conservatives want that to be the case in the long run.
 
Jan 2016
52,377
48,731
Colorado
#65
Ignorance of the law is not justification for breaking it. People know they're attempting to enter a country illegally. That's exactly why the go to remote areas.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that. They do that because they don't want to wait in line and can cut to the front by illegally crossing the border. It's an insult to those who follow the rules.
Agreed.
It's not an irrelevant dodge, it's an example of how this 'argument from authority fallacy' is being taken to ridiculous extremes in America today, by people like you.

The Argument from Authority Fallacy is a very real thing. If I were to say "The speed of light is a constant because Albert Einstein said so", that's an argument from authority. The claim that the speed of light is a constant needs to be backed up by much more robust evidence than that, even though Einstein was an authority on physics.

An even more obvious example would be if someone were to say that "Trade wars are good and easy to win, because President Trump said so", because Donald Trump is in NO way an authority on international trade.

But the Argument from Authority can be and is being taken to ridiculous extremes today. In an extreme form, it would lead you to reject all expert testimony in courtroom cases, because that is, after all, an 'appeal to authority'. Are you disputing this?

Taken to an extreme, it would lead you to reject the petition that was signed by 72 Nobel Laureate scientists in Physics, Chemistry, and Medicine/Physiology, and sent to the Supreme Court of the United States, when the SCOTUS was considering whether the teaching of 'scientific creationism' should be allowed in our public schools. In fact, I rather imagine that you would regard such a petition as utterly irrelevant, and a fine example of an 'Appeal to Authority'.

Taken to an extreme, it would lead you to reject, as utterly irrelevant, the petition signed by more than 8000 law professors, stating that they found that Brett Kavanaugh lacked the temperament necessary to be a SCOTUS justice.

And taken to an extreme, it would lead you to reject, as utterly irrelevant, the signed statement by more than 800 former federal prosecutors saying that in their judgment, Donald Trump committed felonies in office.

Taken to its most ridiculous extreme, the Argument from Authority Fallacy should lead us to simply close down our colleges and universities, since one of the major purposes for their existence is to create and produce the very experts and authorities that our society NEEDS to function and thrive.
 
Nov 2016
7,695
7,177
USA
#66
If one disagrees with any Left Wing politician,they are labeled "Racist". No argument. No debate. No compromise.
Hell, anyon3 who dares to disagree with trump or any rightie is branded a filthy commie traitor. Not that they bother to provide evidence to back up their ugly allegations.
 

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