Trump's offer to meet with Iran's President Rouhani won't get us a better deal...

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...We had our chance and lost it.

Iran has offered American deals to end their nuclear programs before, but we preferred belligerency to diplomacy

Jul.30.2018 / 12:42 PM ET

In March 2003, the Iranians sent a comprehensive negotiation proposal to the George W. Bush Administration through the Swiss ambassador in Tehran. Unlike the Iran nuclear deal, this proposal was not solely focused on nuclear matters: The Iranians offered to help stabilize Iraq, disarm Hezbollah and collaborate against all terrorist organizations (especially al Qaeda). They even offered to sign on to the 2002 Beirut Declaration, recognizing Israeli statehood in return for Israel’s recognition of a Palestinian state. And, of course, Tehran offered to open their nuclear program for full transparency.

But the Bush administration believed — much like Trump — that it could secure a better outcome by just continuing to pressure Iran and didn't even dignify Iran with a response. Instead, the State Department reprimanded the Swiss for having delivered the proposal in the first place.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-offer-meet-iran-s-president-rouhani-won-t-ncna895761
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What kind of better deal was the Bush administration holding out for?

Or maybe it was just the fact that the proposal came from Iran that made it unacceptable.
 
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Didn't they say the same thing about North Korea?
Yes they did. And they were proven to be 100% correct. Again. And again with China. And again with Russia. And again with the EU.

Perhaps time to start listening to people who are consistently proven sensible and informed and correct? instead of people who “dont hold back”, “don’t care about people’s feelings” “talk tough”, “act strong”.


its not about who shouts loudest. It’s about who actually knows real things about real things.
 
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Yes they did. And they were proven to be 100% correct. Again. And again with China. And again with Russia. And again with the EU.

Perhaps time to start listening to people who are consistently proven sensible and informed and correct? instead of people who “dont hold back”, “don’t care about people’s feelings” “talk tough”, “act strong”.


its not about who shouts loudest. It’s about who actually knows real things about real things.
Oh; that Singapore peace treaty never happened, North Korea missile tests never stopped, they never returned a portion of the soldiers remains.... it never happened.

Got it.

Except those things did happen.

And in Russia, only look to what was given not at what the other half of the agreement was.

And China... well, China is a complex one that is more longer term...

The EU was a brilliant maneuver. It's too bad the media won't report honestly on that.

I think we should stop trusting compulsive liars who would rather make up a story than admit that there is something they do not know.
 
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Oh; that Singapore peace treaty never happened, North Korea missile tests never stopped, they never returned a portion of the soldiers remains.... it never happened.

Got it.

Except those things did happen.

And in Russia, only look to what was given not at what the other half of the agreement was.

And China... well, China is a complex one that is more longer term...

The EU was a brilliant maneuver. It's too bad the media won't report honestly on that.

I think we should stop trusting compulsive liars who would rather make up a story than admit that there is something they do not know.
Who was brilliant?

https://www.ft.com/content/dfe8a8a6-95db-11e8-b67b-b8205561c3fe
 
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Yes they did. And they were proven to be 100% correct. Again. And again with China. And again with Russia. And again with the EU.

Perhaps time to start listening to people who are consistently proven sensible and informed and correct? instead of people who “dont hold back”, “don’t care about people’s feelings” “talk tough”, “act strong”.


its not about who shouts loudest. It’s about who actually knows real things about real things.
We tried those "sensible and informed and correct" solutions with North Korea. North Korea is a nuclear nation now.