Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

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Yeah, the best they have is to keep posting some Politico article that states over and over, what a couple of in Ukraine tried to "do" was minimal in comparison to Russia.
Oh, so now you are admitting the Ukraine was involved in the 2016 election. Love it when i happens.
 

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Yeah, the best they have is to keep posting some Politico article that states over and over, what a couple of in Ukraine tried to "do" was minimal in comparison to Russia.
Yeah? And how many voting machines did the Russian agents tamper with? How many ballots did they fake? How many times did they threaten Hitlery not to visit Wisconsin and Michigan? How many Russians VOTED?
 
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Yeah, the best they have is to keep posting some Politico article that states over and over, what a couple of in Ukraine tried to "do" was minimal in comparison to Russia.




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Ukraine’s role in the 2016 race is undeniable: In the summer of 2016, Kiev’s release of the so-called “black ledger” resulted in Manafort’s ouster from the Trump campaign. The actions of foreign actors—however well-intentioned—directly impacted an American election.
One would imagine Washington media and lawmakers—who spent three years combing through every aspect of Moscow’s interference in our election—might direct similar attention to Kiev’s impact. Yet the Ukrainian angle barely made headlines.
If we want to get serious about safeguarding our electoral process from all foreign actors, not just Moscow-based ones, it’s time to examine Ukraine as well.
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The Full Scope of Ukraine’s Impact on the 2016 Election Has Yet to Be Examined
www.thenation.com


 
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Ukraine’s role in the 2016 race is undeniable: In the summer of 2016, Kiev’s release of the so-called “black ledger” resulted in Manafort’s ouster from the Trump campaign. The actions of foreign actors—however well-intentioned—directly impacted an American election.
One would imagine Washington media and lawmakers—who spent three years combing through every aspect of Moscow’s interference in our election—might direct similar attention to Kiev’s impact. Yet the Ukrainian angle barely made headlines.
If we want to get serious about safeguarding our electoral process from all foreign actors, not just Moscow-based ones, it’s time to examine Ukraine as well.
...


The Full Scope of Ukraine’s Impact on the 2016 Election Has Yet to Be Examined
www.thenation.com


Looks like the cats' out of the bag. Russia has been trying to frame Ukraine for what they did and Trump and Guiliani were oh so happy to help Russia do it because it serves the purposes of Trump's re-election.


Article Nov 4th 2019

The whole enterprise by which the Russian ratfckers would be shielded from suspicion by having that suspicion instead cast upon Ukraine—the fantastical theory that lay behind the president*'s extortionate demand of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky—was a crucial part of the strategy by which the Russian ratfckers would assist the president*'s 2016 campaign. It was the alibi-in-reserve, and it was deployed.

After the campaign learned the DNC had been hacked, Manafort pushed the theory that Ukraine, not Russia, had orchestrated the attack. It’s a conspiracy theory that’s persisted in right-wing circles, even after the US Intelligence Community concluded Russia was involved, and one that Trump brought up in his July 2019 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

The documents reveal that Konstantin Kilimnik dreamed up the Ukraine diversion

Russia has a centralized systemic plan complete with Russian agents living in the US trying to interfere with the actual election on the ground in the US.

We now know that Ukraine at most had the unfortunate situation of investigating Manafort beginning in 2014 before he even joined the Trump campaign. Manafort worked with the former Ukrainian President Yanukovich until his removal from power in February 2014 as a result of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution. He is currently in exile in Russia and wanted by Ukraine for high treason.

Ukraine had the US had a well-established tradition of cooperation between the two countries in criminal investigations, based on the provisions of a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty (MLAT) signed by the two countries in 1998.

In 2014 as a condition for Ukraine to receive aid from the US and the European Union it signed an evidence-sharing agreement with the FBI in late June — less than a month and a half before it released the ledgers.

Manafort has been the target of the FBI since 2014 documents filed by special counsel Robert Mueller’s team show that the FBI interviewed Manafort in March 2013 and July 2014. Past reports have said Manafort first became a target in 2013 This is way before Manafort started with for the Trump campaign. Manafort didn't start working for Trump until June 2016.

Neither the FBI or Ukraine were investigating Manafort as a result of his being Trump's campaign manager as they started investigating him BEFORE
He joined the Trump campaign. The FBI was not going to stop because Manafort joined the Trump campaign for the period June 2016 until he left in August 2016. If other members of Trump's campaign came to the FBI's focus a result of Manafort joining the campaign it would have been unavoidable. The FBI was gathering information from Ukraine as per the agreement the US had with them. Ukraine was not co-operating because of trying to interfere in the 2016 election as they had
already began investigating Manafort way before dating back to 2014 as a result of his ties with the former President of Ukrainian Yanukovich that was suspected
of financial crimes and high treason.

Paul Manafort has been on the FBI’s radar since 2013
 
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Ukraine was working with the FBI on their investigation into Manafort. Manafort was a crook and just because he became a campaign manager of Trump didn't mean that the FBI should stop investigating him when crimes were brought to their attention. This is not Ukraine interfering into US elections.
In 2014 as a condition for Ukraine to receive aid from the U.S. and the European Union it signed an evidence-sharing agreement with the FBI in late June — less than a month and a half before it released the ledgers. The FBI was investigating Manafort BEFORE he joined the Trump campaign and they just continued doing it.

In January 2016 — months before Manafort had taken any role in Trump’s campaign — Chalupa told a senior DNC official that, when it came to Trump’s campaign, “I felt there was a Russia connection,” Chalupa recalled. “And that, if there was, that we can expect Paul Manafort to be involved in this election,” said Chalupa, who at the time also was warning leaders in the Ukrainian-American community that Manafort was “Putin’s political brain for manipulating U.S. foreign policy and elections.”

This lady was right about Manafort. She did tell the DNC but they didn't use the information and did not include it in any dossier. They didn't do anything with the information. Manafort had left the campaign in August 2016 because of the FBI investigation that related to his activities before he became Trump's campaign manager.

It is interesting to note that it was Roger Stone that recommended Manafort for the job of his campaign chairman (see page 134 https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf )
Mueller documents show Manafort pushed Ukraine conspiracy theory.

Look at the situation both Roger Stone and Manafort are in now. Trump only picks the best people.
 

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