Unbelievable, this poor doctor is being fucking railroaded!

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A surgical anesthesiologist is going on trial in Perm, Russia, accused of physically assaulting, back in July, a patient after a heart operation, resulting in that man's death a few days afterward.
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Surveillance video at the Perm Heart Institute, where it all took place, does show the good doctor, Candidate of Medical Sciences (like a pre-Masters degree over there) Andrey Votyakov, striking the patient, 61 year old Nikolai Kuleshov, more than once, after the man, reportedly, insulted his wife for no good reason, implying he had slept with her
[video=youtube;RbRIql7YxSc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbRIql7YxSc[/video]
But, come on, really, a couple punches are gonna kill you, two fucking weeks later?! Even if you just had a heart operation, still, doubtful.

In fact, the police investigation came to the same conclusion: "the medical examiner has concluded there can be no connection between the hits delivered by Votyaov and Kuleshov's death."
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Yet Votyakov, a gifted doctor, still has lost his job over this and is now on trial for severe assault.

Pathetic, imho The asshole, the patient, probably got drunk, days after the operation, and got into a fight with his bottle buddies, as often happens in Russia, and it is probably they who caused him the injuries that killed him. Men die in drunk fights every day, over there. That's why Russia's murder rate is a few times that of America's. To blame this doctor, and lock him up, in a country that already has a shortage of skilled medical professionals, if fucking irresponsible.
 
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Does Russia have a good education system?
like some of the other former colony's?
How bad is corruption?
 

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Does Russia have a good education system?
like some of the other former colony's?
How bad is corruption?
Education system is not so bad, it's the pay that's the problem. Average salary of a medical doctor in Russia, as of August 22nd, 2013, was 40,000 rubles or $1,333 per month (http://medportal.ru/mednovosti/news/2013/08/22/125pay/), up by 12.3% from the same month in 2012, and quite high by Russian standards, but laughable, compared to what a doctor can earn in the West. That's why many young medical professionals emigrate from there to Western countries.
 
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That guy is in the wrong profession. You are dealing with sick people, drugged up people, people in pain, irritated, you have to have some tougher skin. jeez, so the guys said something about your wife, OMG, who cares?
 
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A surgical anesthesiologist is going on trial in Perm, Russia, accused of physically assaulting, back in July, a patient after a heart operation, resulting in that man's death a few days afterward.
NR2.RU::: Ïåðìñêèé âðà÷-àíåñòåçèîëîã èçáèë ïàöèåíòà ïîñëå îïåðàöèè (ÂÈÄÅÎ) / Ïàöèåíò óìåð / 04.07.13 / Çäîðîâüå

Surveillance video at the Perm Heart Institute, where it all took place, does show the good doctor, Candidate of Medical Sciences (like a pre-Masters degree over there) Andrey Votyakov, striking the patient, 61 year old Nikolai Kuleshov, more than once, after the man, reportedly, insulted his wife for no good reason, implying he had slept with her
[video=youtube;RbRIql7YxSc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbRIql7YxSc[/video]
But, come on, really, a couple punches are gonna kill you, two fucking weeks later?! Even if you just had a heart operation, still, doubtful.

In fact, the police investigation came to the same conclusion: "the medical examiner has concluded there can be no connection between the hits delivered by Votyaov and Kuleshov's death."
????????? ???? ? ????????? ?????, ????????? ????????, ???????? ? ??? | ??????????? | ???????? | ??? ?????

Yet Votyakov, a gifted doctor, still has lost his job over this and is now on trial for severe assault.

Pathetic, imho The asshole, the patient, probably got drunk, days after the operation, and got into a fight with his bottle buddies, as often happens in Russia, and it is probably they who caused him the injuries that killed him. Men die in drunk fights every day, over there. That's why Russia's murder rate is a few times that of America's. To blame this doctor, and lock him up, in a country that already has a shortage of skilled medical professionals, if fucking irresponsible.
I saw that a few months ago on RT. No matter, you do not hit the person after heart surgery , especially if you are his doctor. Even if those punches caused nothing of the damage, the doctor has to be fired and never allowed to treat even cats and dogs.
 

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Well, @<a href="http://politicalhotwire.com/member.php?u=5221" target="_blank">Dr Sampson Simpson</a> @<a href="http://politicalhotwire.com/member.php?u=24093" target="_blank">yuri zhivago</a>, you guys must remember, it is Russia we are talking about. Over there, the culture is different about these things. For a man to "beat the face" (nabit mordu) of another for a perceived insult, is, basically, perfectly normal, in that country. I suppose, by bringing such cases, the authorities there are trying to change that. If so, all the luck to them, but, I doubt they'll succeed. Russian men always solved their differences this way: the aristocrats battled each other in noble duels with their elegant rapiers

or elaborately encrusted pistols


But the peasantry was left to settle things in bloody, ruleless kulachnye boi, "fist fights", not even always one one one, sometimes - "wall on wall" all out brawls


This went on into the 20th Century


Today, the "tradition" is being resurrected, with organized "fist fights" and "wall on wall" on every Maslenitsa
[video=youtube;hPQAlQXUOAI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPQAlQXUOAI[/video]

Violence is natural to men there :smiley-shrug:
 
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Well, @<a href="http://politicalhotwire.com/members/dr-sampson-simpson.html" target="_blank">Dr Sampson Simpson</a> @<a href="http://politicalhotwire.com/members/yuri-zhivago.html" target="_blank">yuri zhivago</a>, you guys must remember, it is Russia we are talking about. Over there, the culture is different about these things. For a man to "beat the face" (nabit mordu) of another for a perceived insult, is, basically, perfectly normal, in that country. I suppose, by bringing such cases, the authorities there are trying to change that. If so, all the luck to them, but, I doubt they'll succeed. Russian men always solved their differences this way: the aristocrats battled each other in noble duels with their elegant rapiers

or elaborately encrusted pistols


But the peasantry was left to settle things in bloody, ruleless kulachnye boi, "fist fights", not even always one one one, sometimes - "wall on wall" all out brawls


This went on into the 20th Century


Today, the "tradition" is being resurrected, with organized "fist fights" and "wall on wall" on every Maslenitsa
[video=youtube;hPQAlQXUOAI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPQAlQXUOAI[/video]

Violence is natural to men there :smiley-shrug:
not when you a doctor and your patient lies down there on the gurneys helpless
 
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This almost seems like a joke thread to be upset about what's happening to the doctor in this situation.

The patient was in 4-point restraints, completely unable to cause physical harm to others or defend himself. Speculation about whatever the patient said, or his character, is irrelevant.

[video=youtube;RbRIql7YxSc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbRIql7YxSc[/video]
But, come on, really, a couple punches are gonna kill you, two fucking weeks later?! Even if you just had a heart operation, still, doubtful.
You said he is accused of assaulting the patient, which is conclusively true. Is he also being tried for murder? Though I don't know Russia's laws, it seems like it could easily be attempted murder, considering the doctor intentionally aimed at his chest, when he could have given him another punch to the head.

Yet Votyakov, a gifted doctor, still has lost his job over this and is now on trial for severe assault.
How could keeping his job possibly be justifiable, and how was this not assault? Both are no-brainers.
 
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OK, watched the video. Claiming those punches killed the guy is absurd. But the doctor is an asshole, I don't care what the guy was saying. He is vulnerable. And that punch to his chest had to hurt immensely. Was the "heart operation" open chest? If the guy had his ribs spread, that punch would not only be very painful, but could also lead to medical issues. The friggen sternum is wired together.
 
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