US, Chinese warships confrontation in Pacific

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Not really. Those have always been international waters. China's usurpation of them is quite new and based on BS. Something like 1/3 of all international shipping goes through that area. Should China be able to block those ships or charge them a crossing fee? That's where we're headed.
True.

Strait of Hormuz and Strait of Malacca are the most critical areas of shipping for the world.
 

The Man

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True.

Strait of Hormuz and Strait of Malacca are the most critical areas of shipping for the world.
For now. In near future though, more traffic could go through the Arctic, like Russia's Northern Sea Route, as global warming recedes the ice there:

See: Rapid & Unprecedented Loss Of A Russian Ice-Cap

The Chinese seem to be itching to use their military. Maybe we could give them one of the 'stan countries to invade.
If you mean ex-Soviet Central Asia, bad idea. That would set off a conflict between China and Russia, who would not cede them that sphere of influence peacefully...

Anyway, the US really SHOULD stop trying to police the world IMHO

Confronting China here. Sailing into the Black Sea and flying your planes near the Crimea, and setting off incidents with the Russians there. Same in the Baltic, with US assets going near Russia's Kaliningrad for no good reason.

This is playing with fire. It won't end well some day...
 
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For now. In near future though, more traffic could go through the Arctic, like Russia's Northern Sea Route, as global warming recedes the ice there:

See: Rapid & Unprecedented Loss Of A Russian Ice-Cap



If you mean ex-Soviet Central Asia, bad idea. That would set off a conflict between China and Russia, who would not cede them that sphere of influence peacefully...

Anyway, the US really SHOULD stop trying to police the world IMHO

Confronting China here. Sailing into the Black Sea and flying your planes near the Crimea, and setting off incidents with the Russians there. Same in the Baltic, with US assets going near Russia's Kaliningrad for no good reason.

This is playing with fire. It won't end well some day...
The US did that once, right after WWl.

Result: WWll, and it really didn't take very long...

For the new shipping route, it's yet another advantage of "Global Warming", eh?
 

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The US did that once, right after WWl.

Result: WWll, and it really didn't take very long...
Nah. Stalin had much more to do with WWII than the US.

He helped Hitler in many ways, initially, including by ordering pro-Commie forces in Germany not to resist the Nazis' rise to power; dividing up various neighboring countries with him in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; as well as supplying Germany resources such as oil, and metals, etc, to build up their war machine, and also giving them facilities to train their men, especially tank crews and Luftwaffe pilots in the Soviet Union, away from prying Western eyes...

All, because he'd intended to use Hitler to smash up the rest of Europe so he could grab control of it all after. It did end up kinda backfiring on him pretty badly in the end though... Millions of various Soviet peoples paid with their lives for that little mistake...
 
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Nah. Stalin had much more to do with WWII than the US.

He helped Hitler in many ways, initially, including by ordering pro-Commie forces in Germany not to resist the Nazis' rise to power; dividing up various neighboring countries with him in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; as well as supplying Germany resources such as oil, and metals, etc, to build up their war machine, and also giving them facilities to train their men, especially tank crews and Luftwaffe pilots in the Soviet Union, away from prying Western eyes...

All, because he'd intended to use Hitler to smash up the rest of Europe so he could grab control of it all after. It did end up kinda backfiring on him pretty badly in the end though... Millions of various Soviet peoples paid with their lives for that little mistake...
Japan had a little to do with starting WWll, as well.
 
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Not really. Those have always been international waters. China's usurpation of them is quite new and based on BS. Something like 1/3 of all international shipping goes through that area. Should China be able to block those ships or charge them a crossing fee? That's where we're headed.
The rest of the world would have to refuse Chinese ships into their ports.
 
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In America we had this thing called the attack on Pearl Harbor.

We were gonna get in the fight anyway.

Pearl Harbor speeded up the process...
Did America give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL No!!!!

Classic movie line. Simply classic.
 

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