US Trained Georgian Commandos Just Prior to War

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Latherty

I firmly believe now that the U.S. orchestrated Georgia's attack on South Ossetia and that the more they dig, the more U.S. involvement they're going to find.
Makes more sense than claiming the Russians organized an attack on their own people for the purpose of, err, declaring an independent state of a two-bit rural region with zero natural resources or strategic value..
Personally, I think the US encouraged Georgia to retain the provinces but seriously underestimated the fucked-up Georgian mindset.
 
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MeMyselfnI

Makes more sense than claiming the Russians organized an attack on their own people for the purpose of, err, declaring an independent state of a two-bit rural region with zero natural resources or strategic value..
Personally, I think the US encouraged Georgia to retain the provinces but seriously underestimated the fucked-up Georgian mindset.
The paranoid Zionist Israelis have been using the two airfields in southern Georgia to fly over and spy on Russia - probably on behalf of the good, old U.S. of A. as well as their own evil intentions.

The Russian bear is very, very angry, and for good reason!

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North Pole Resident

Americans even trained Georgians in US.

From The Guardian:

Captain Kelly Smith's eyes widened with horror as he entered the control tower. Standing in the ruins of a Georgian army firing range, he sighed. 'I was hoping to see some electrical equipment here,' he muttered, amid the debris.

Smith is one of 26 American soldiers who arrived two weeks ago in Tbilisi, the first of a 150-strong force designed to train and equip the crumbling Georgian army.

Washington and Tbilisi have said Georgia is under threat from 'terrorists' in the Pankisi Gorge on the border with war-torn Chechnya. They say the Georgian military needs Western help to prevent the gorge's terrorists - some reportedly al-Qaeda - from moving farther inland.

David, from the Georgian Secret Service, smiled as he spoke of the days he spent being trained in San Antonio, Texas, but stiffened when he admitted 'there is no guarantee that any of us are safe'. He added: 'We don't know when we can leave.'

READ MORE -- Oil fuels US army role in Georgia | World news | The Observer
 
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Here's more from FT:


US military trained Georgian commandos

By Charles Clover in Moscow and Demetri Sevastopulo in Washington
Published: September 5 2008 18:49 | Last updated: September 5 2008 18:49


The US military provided combat training to 80 Georgian special forces commandos only months prior to Georgia’s army assault in South Ossetia in August.

The revelation, based on recruitment documents and interviews with US military trainers obtained by the Financial Times, could add fuel to accusations by Vlad*imir Putin, Russian prime minister, last month that the US had “orchestrated†the war in the Georgian enclave.
The training was provided by senior US soldiers and two military contractors. There is no evidence that the contractors or the Pentagon, which hired them, knew that the commandos they were training were likely be used in the assault on South Ossetia.

A US army spokesman said the goal of the programme was to train the commandos for duty in Afghanistan as part of Nato-led International Security Assistance Force. The programme, however, highlights the often unintended consequences of US “train and equip†programmes in foreign countries.

The contractors – MPRI and American Systems, both based in Virginia – recruited a 15-man team of former special forces soldiers to train the Georgians at the Vashlijvari special forces base on the outskirts of Tbilisi, part of a programme run by the US defence department.

MPRI was hired by the Pentagon in 1995 to train the Croatian military prior to their invasion of the ethnically-Serbian Krajina region, which led to the displacement of 200,000 refugees and was one of the worst incidents of ethnic cleansing in the Balkan wars. MPRI denies any wrongdoing.
US training of the Georgian army is a big flashpoint between Washington and Moscow. Mr Putin said on CNN on August 29: “It is not just that the American side could not restrain the Georgian leadership from this criminal act [of intervening in South Ossetia]. The American side in effect armed and trained the Georgian army.â€

The first phase of the special forces training was held between January and April this year, concentrating on “basic special forces skills†said an American Systems employee interviewed by phone from the US army’s Fort Bragg.
The US military official familiar with the programme said the Pentagon hired the military contracting firms to help supplement its own trainers because of a lack of manpower.

The second 70-day phase was set to begin on August 11, a few days after war broke out in South Ossetia. The trainers arrived on August 3, four days before the conflict flared on August 7. “They would have only seen the inside of a hotel room,†quipped one former contractor. Neither MPRI nor American Systems would speak at length to the FT about the programme.

American Systems directed questions to the US army’s Security Assistance Training Management Organisation (Satmo) at Fort Bragg, part of the US Army’s Special Warfare Center School. Satmo sends trainers, mainly special forces but also contractors, to countries such as Yemen, Colombia and the Philippines. Satmo trainers generally work with forces involved in counter-insurgencies, counter-terrorism or civil wars. A Satmo spokesman declined to comment.

READ MORE -- FT.com / World - US military trained Georgian commandos
 
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From Washington Times:

Russians pilfer U.S. equipment

Pentagon says no 'sensitive items' taken with Humvees

Tuesday, September 9, 2008

EXCLUSIVE:

Russian forces seized U.S. military equipment during the recent fighting in Georgia in addition to five vehicles whose capture was reported earlier, the Pentagon said Monday.
Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Russian troops broke open two large shipping containers in the Georgian port of Poti and "pilfered" the contents. Sensitive communications and electronics equipment used by U.S. forces during a joint U.S.-Georgia military exercise prior to the Aug. 8 incursion had already been shipped out of the port, he added.
One of the containers belonged to the Marines, which also lost five Humvees to the Russians. Mr. Whitman said he did not know who owned the other container.

The Russian newspaper Izvestia reported that the captured equipment included Global Positioning System equipment used in weapons targeting, identification, friend-or-foe electronic gear and classified radio and reconnaissance equipment.

A spokesman for the Russian Embassy in Washington, Evgeny Khorisko, said he had no knowledge of such equipment being seized or containers being opened. "I only know about the Humvees," Mr. Khorisko said.
Mr. Whitman insisted that high-intelligence-value equipment had not been compromised, while at the same time acknowledging he did not know exactly what the Russians now had in their possession.

"We can't tell what was in them, and we're still doing an assessment, but none of them had sensitive items in them," he said. The disclosure came as the Bush administration announced that it was pulling from Congress an agreement with Russia for peaceful cooperation in the civilian nuclear field.
"We make this decision with regret," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in a statement. "Unfortunately, given the current environment, the time is not right for this agreement."

Russia reacted with ambivalence. The Interfax news agency quoted a Foreign Ministry official as saying, "Such a step is regrettable," but "Russia does not need civilian nuclear cooperation with the United States more than [Washington]."
The Pentagon has also announced a review of U.S.-Russia military cooperation and promised Georgia $1 billion in economic aid and an unspecified amount of military help.
The U.S. European Command will soon conduct a major security assessment of Georgia to determine what U.S. weapons and training will be sent to the former Soviet republic as part of increased U.S. aid, Mr. Whitman said.

"In the days to come, we'll start doing a security assessment in terms of what Georgia needs in terms of its internal and external security," he said.
While Mr. Whitman said he could not identify what was in the seized containers, officials at the European Command, which was in charge of the military exercises, said they suspected that the equipment was crew gear.
The equipment and Humvees were sent to Georgia in July as part of a monthlong military-training exercise with U.S. and Georgian forces and was being returned through the port of Poti when the Russians seized it Aug. 19. The vehicles and equipment were being shipped back to the United States following the exercise, which involved about 1,000 U.S. soldiers and 600 Georgian troops.

"We are trying to determine what equipment was taken and under what conditions and how to get it back," said a U.S. defense official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "We know about the Humvees. All the other equipment was left over from the exercise that had taken place. We don't think it was extensive. Some had already left the country."
Gen. Conway said, "I think we're going to send the Russians a bill and tell them, you know, either pay up or give us back our vehicles, guys. You know, that's not the way we do business."


READ MORE -- http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/09/russians-pilfer-us-equipment



MOSCOW (AFP)--Russian forces have seized a "large arsenal" of U.S.-made weapons in the western Georgian city of Senaki including hundreds of assault rifles, a military spokesman said Friday.
"In Senaki, we seized a large arsenal of weapons including 664 U.S.-made M-16 rifles" and a number of M-40 sniper rifles, General Anatoly Nogovitsyn told a news conference in Moscow. "There were 1,728 weapons total."

Russia Seizes Arsenal Of US Weapons In Georgia - Military

Russian forces seized a "large arsenal" of US-made weapons in the western Georgian city of Senaki including hundreds of assault rifles and grenade launchers, a military spokesman said Friday.

France 24 | Russia seizes 'large arsenal' of US weapons: military spokesman | France 24

Russia seizes 'large arsenal' of US weapons: military spokesman


MOSCOW (AFP)--Russian forces have seized a "large arsenal" of U.S.-made weapons in the western Georgian city of Senaki including hundreds of assault rifles, a military spokesman said Friday.
"In Senaki, we seized a large arsenal of weapons including 664 U.S.-made M-16 rifles" and a number of M-40 sniper rifles, General Anatoly Nogovitsyn told a news conference in Moscow. "There were 1,728 weapons total."

Russia Seizes Arsenal Of US Weapons In Georgia - Military


So America delivered even sniper rifles to them.... :mad:



The M40 is a bolt-action sniper rifle used by the United States Marine Corps. It has had three variants — the M40, the M40A1 and the M40A3. The M40 was introduced in 1966. The changeover to the A1 model was completed in the 1970s, and the A3 in the 2000s.
Each firearm begins life as a Remington 700, and is then extensively modified by hand by USMC 2112/gunsmiths at Marine Corps Base Quantico, using components from a number of suppliers. New M40A3s are being built, and A1s are upgraded to A3s as they rotate into the armory for service and repair. The rifles have had many sub-variations in telescopic sights, and smaller user modifications.

The original M40 was a military type-classified version of the Remington 700; it was factory-made, and had a one-piece wooden stock. The M40A1 and A3 switched to fiberglass, with new scopes added as well. The trigger pull on both models (M40A1/A3) is 3 to 5 lbs.
M40 rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia