Was the Dayton Shooter Motivated By Specific Politics (Antifa)?

Babba

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His motivation was misogyny.

But the El Paso massacre by a white supremacist wasn't the only deadly violence on that awful weekend in America. In Dayton, Ohio, a 24-year-old man killed nine people in another mass shooting, and his motivation is murkier. Apparently, the accused shooter's social media accounts showed that he identified with progressive politics, expressing admiration for Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. But that may be less important than the apparent fact that he also had a fetish for guns and held crude and violent misogynistic beliefs. Although law enforcement officials have drawn no public conclusions about the shooter's motive, ABC News reported on Sunday that they believed the shooter had "demonstrated a misogyny that was far more extreme than any of his political leanings."

"Extreme" doesn't really cover it. This man had been expelled from school for writing a "rape list" and was reportedly a singer in a "pornogrind" band — a tiny heavy metal subculture that celebrates extreme violence against women. (Although this musical genre is intentionally disgusting, it's been around for years and has not previously been implicated in any acts of violence.) It appears the authorities believe the shooter's motives weren't explicitly political but rather tied somehow to his hatred of women.
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kmiller1610

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I study the motivations of people as part of my job, but my subjects are usually up and comers trying to find the right landing spots.

Still I have seen enough dreamers and lovers of high impact acts of sacrifice to know that the individual need for drama and the desire to "make a difference" is not connected to any one political view. Some people are joiners who adapt to groups. Others are loners who just grab a group that is radical enough to be an outlet for things they want to do anyway. People who write manifestos seem to me to be in the latter category.

I realize this kind of analysis is unsatisfying to folks who really want to blame a single party or a single leader, but I don't think politics is a prime motivator. Usually what is already going on inside the person, whether it's desperate loneliness or heroic delusions lays the essential foundation.

Could a Trump rally or a political mercenary provide a focal point? Sure, but that does not make it the cause.

I personally see no difference between Trump calling unwanted immigrants invaders and hundreds of on-lone posters calling Trump Putin's stooge.

It's still just speech.
 
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I study the motivations of people as part of my job, but my subjects are usually up and comers trying to find the right landing spots.

Still I have seen enough dreamers and lovers of high impact acts of sacrifice to know that the individual need for drama and the desire to "make a difference" is not connected to any one political view. Some people are joiners who adapt to groups. Others are loners who just grab a group that is radical enough to be an outlet for things they want to do anyway. People who write manifestos seem to me to be in the latter category.

I realize this kind of analysis is unsatisfying to folks who really want to blame a single party or a single leader, but I don't think politics is a prime motivator. Usually what is already going on inside the person, whether it's desperate loneliness or heroic delusions lays the essential foundation.

Could a Trump rally or a political mercenary provide a focal point? Sure, but that does not make it the cause.

I personally see no difference between Trump calling unwanted immigrants invaders and hundreds of on-lone posters calling Trump Putin's stooge.

It's still just speech.

It stops being "just speech" when it leads to mass killings of innocent people.

The fact is that right-wing extremists, including white supremacists, have found a home in the Republican Party, while the Democratic Party does not condone, much less promote left-wing extremism. You can dance around the subject all day long, but you can't change the facts by doing so. Nor can you justify the Republican embrace of right-wing extremist violence merely by chanting "Antifa".