Was the Dayton Shooter Motivated By Specific Politics (Antifa)?

Jul 2019
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#61
Its unthinkable that someone like Trump could be elected.
Ya...actually it makes perfect logical sense to me. And I'm always amused by people who don't see that clearly.
(OK get a coffee...I feel a litany coming on...)

Some have asked why a Canuck would be so interested in American politics. :cool:
Two reasons;
1. When the US sneazes, Canada gets a cold.
2. The US political scene is the classic political battle. Two parties, with 'supposedly' opposing views. Liberal Vs. Conservative. And what makes it all so amusing to me...at least...is that, for all the hot-air blowing that goes on, almost ZERO people actually realise that the two sides NEED each other in order to run the nation well. Instead, the vast majority are simple partisan hacks.

It is outrageously obvious, to even the common onlooker, that all American politicians are bought and paid for. It is also painfully obvious that the political and powerful of the USA...don't really care a whole lot about anything but...maintaining their wealth and power. This is the world Donald J Trump lived in. Remember the 2016 debates? How Hillary was so comfortable with being on a first name basis with Trump? That's because she was. They know each other well. Their daughters were/are still?? good friends. They live at the same social plateau.

So this guy, changes parties, attacks Obama and makes a spectacle of himself, then runs for POTUS. Then he comes out and announces his open opposition to the very thing that had been generating immense wealth for all of his friends and associates. GLOBALISM.

Why do you think politicians do allot of talking, and talking, and talking...but accomplish little to nothing?
Its hard to maneuver the public through a basic "gleep" of everything they hold dear;
freedom
family
self determination
potential for advancement
security
All being actively and silently...eroded. When old man Sanders tell you that the top 1% own everything...he's absolutely right.
Is Washington a "swamp"? You bet your ass it is. Has been for...well, for over a generation now...and everyone knows it.

Trump comes on like he just doesn't care about this power structure, and declares war on it.
At first...he's treated like a public joke. But the anger of the American people is at a feverish pitch, and this odd fellow begins actually winning.
It gets to the point that, no matter how abrasive or 'suggestive' he is...the friggin' public eat it up. And why shouldn't they?
FINALLY someone who, unlike Sanders, wants to turn it all upside down, and promote capitalism instead of socialism.
The rest is 'window dressing' to Trump supporters. In fact, the more he can piss them off, the better.

The Democrats see this and are shocked. Hell everyone was shocked. And what do they do? Well...they do what they do best. They proceed to try to destroy Trump in every and any way possible. The media lines up against him, and in what I figure was the best thing Roger Ailes ever did, FOX sides with him. Now I know Ailes was a dick...lets just ignore that for now as its rather irrelevant.

We all know the results. America was and is being dragged through the mud, all in order to destroy this self-ascribed...NATIONALIST.'
All the investigations...all the innuendo...the infamous race card...everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink, has been heaved at this guy. Granted, he doesn't help much with some of the things he tweets and says, but he has set about...alone for the most part...to get results with his agenda. He actually proceeds to tear down that which the powerful have spent so many decades carefully building. Its unthinkable! eh?
 
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Jul 2019
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#62
Ya...actually it makes perfect logical sense to me. And I'm always amused by people who don't see that clearly.
(OK get a coffee...I feel a litany coming on...)

Some have asked why a Canuck would be so interested in American politics. :cool:
Two reasons;
1. When the US sneazes, Canada gets a cold.
2. The US political scene is the classic political battle. Two parties, with 'supposedly' opposing views. Liberal Vs. Conservative. And what makes it all so amusing to me...at least...is that, for all the hot-air blowing that goes on, almost ZERO people actually realise that the two sides NEED each other in order to run the nation well. Instead, the vast majority are simple partisan hacks.

It is outrageously obvious, to even the common onlooker, that all American politicians are bought and paid for. It is also painfully obvious that the political and powerful of the USA...don't really care a whole lot about anything but...maintaining their wealth and power. This is the world Donald J Trump lived in. Remember the 2016 debates? How Hillary was so comfortable with being on a first name basis with Trump? That's because she was. They know each other well. Their daughters were/are still?? good friends. They live at the same social plateau.

So this guy, changes parties, attacks Obama and makes a spectacle of himself, then runs for POTUS. Then he comes out and announces his open opposition to the very thing that had been generating immense wealth for all of his friends and associates. GLOBALISM.

Why do you think politicians do allot of talking, and talking, and talking...but accomplish little to nothing?
Its hard to maneuver the public through a basic "gleep" of everything they hold dear;
freedom
family
self determination
potential for advancement
security
All being actively and silently...eroded. When old man Sanders tell you that the top 1% own everything...he's absolutely right.
Is Washington a "swamp"? You bet your ass it is. Has been for...well, for over a generation now...and everyone knows it.

Trump comes on like he just doesn't care about this power structure, and declares war on it.
At first...he's treated like a public joke. But the anger of the American people is at a feverish pitch, and this odd fellow begins actually winning.
It gets to the point that, no matter how abrasive or 'suggestive' he is...the friggin' public eat it up. And why shouldn't they?
FINALLY someone who, unlike Sanders, wants to turn it all upside down, and promote capitalism instead of socialism.
The rest is 'window dressing' to Trump supporters. In fact, the more he can piss them off, the better.

The Democrats see this and are shocked. Hell everyone was shocked. And what do they do? Well...they do what they do best. They proceed to try to destroy Trump in every and any way possible. The media lines up against him, and in what I figure was the best thing Roger Ailes ever did, FOX sides with him. Now I know Ailes was a dick...lets just ignore that for now as its rather irrelevant.

We all know the results. America was and is being dragged through the mud, all in order to destroy this self-ascribed...NATIONALIST.'
All the investigations...all the innuendo...the infamous race card...everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink, has been heaved at this guy. Granted, he doesn't help much with some of the things he tweets and says, but he has set about...alone for the most part...to get results with his agenda. He actually proceeds to tear down that which the powerful have spent so many decades carefully building. Its unthinkable! eh?
Trump's money laundering when he was in the casino business sticks in my mind.
 
Jul 2019
532
166
Toronto
#63
Trump's money laundering when he was in the casino business sticks in my mind.
Allot of things I've read and seen over the years about Trump, stick in my mind.
So what? Here's the basic question, as far as I'm concerned.
Which is more important to you? That the leader of your nation fights against the forces that have been screwing you? Or that this guy (strange version of champion?), is rude and crass?
 

kmiller1610

Former Staff
Mar 2007
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#64
It stops being "just speech" when it leads to mass killings of innocent people.

The fact is that right-wing extremists, including white supremacists, have found a home in the Republican Party, while the Democratic Party does not condone, much less promote left-wing extremism. You can dance around the subject all day long, but you can't change the facts by doing so. Nor can you justify the Republican embrace of right-wing extremist violence merely by chanting "Antifa".
Where is your proof of a cause and effect connection? I just don't see it.
 

kmiller1610

Former Staff
Mar 2007
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#67
Counties that hosted a 2016 Trump rally saw a 226 percent increase in hate crimes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/22/trumps-rhetoric-does-inspire-more-hate-crimes/
Study the history of rallies and you'll find that a certain percentage of the attendees will act out in inappropriate and dangerous manners.

Prove that it is Trump's words and actions that specifically motivate violence. You can't.

In fact these very specific protests and rallies had a far more specific purpose than Trump rallies (which are mostly about him)....

10 Historically Significant Political Protests

A look at some of the protests that changed U.S. history (and others that didn't)

Volatile 'Black Lives Matter' protest erupts in Hoover; Police officers called 'domestic terrorists,' 'pigs' - Yellowhammer News

Morning Bell: Occupy Wall Street Gets More Violent
 
Apr 2012
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Englewood,Ohio
#68
Translation:
I will say I think the hate and partisan name calling needs to stop, except for me because I'M RIGHT.
:zany:[/
I study the motivations of people as part of my job, but my subjects are usually up and comers trying to find the right landing spots.

Still I have seen enough dreamers and lovers of high impact acts of sacrifice to know that the individual need for drama and the desire to "make a difference" is not connected to any one political view. Some people are joiners who adapt to groups. Others are loners who just grab a group that is radical enough to be an outlet for things they want to do anyway. People who write manifestos seem to me to be in the latter category.

I realize this kind of analysis is unsatisfying to folks who really want to blame a single party or a single leader, but I don't think politics is a prime motivator. Usually what is already going on inside the person, whether it's desperate loneliness or heroic delusions lays the essential foundation.

Could a Trump rally or a political mercenary provide a focal point? Sure, but that does not make it the cause.

I personally see no difference between Trump calling unwanted immigrants invaders and hundreds of on-lone posters calling Trump Putin's stooge.

It's still just speech.
The only difference in your last sentence is that Trump really is.

Otherwise I agree with your post. I study faces. They reveal more than what a person says.

I wish I could tell you I understand a killers mind, but can not. I do not think any normal person can. Killing another person is beyond my thinking. I have to include abortion in that. Death is final, no matter how it happens.
 
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Apr 2012
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#69
Study the history of rallies and you'll find that a certain percentage of the attendees will act out in inappropriate and dangerous manners.

Prove that it is Trump's words and actions that specifically motivate violence. You can't.

In fact these very specific protests and rallies had a far more specific purpose than Trump rallies (which are mostly about him)....

10 Historically Significant Political Protests

A look at some of the protests that changed U.S. history (and others that didn't)

Volatile 'Black Lives Matter' protest erupts in Hoover; Police officers called 'domestic terrorists,' 'pigs' - Yellowhammer News

Morning Bell: Occupy Wall Street Gets More Violent
Trumps words encourage the deranged to act out!
 
Apr 2012
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Englewood,Ohio
#70
That has been debunked btw. They still don't know what motivated him. He did have an obsession with guns and mass shootings. He kept a rape list and a hit list in HS.
The Police Chief just verified there was drugs involved. The friend said they smoked and used mushrooms. So it is quite possible that was a part of it.

The Police Chief said it is possible Betts did not know he shot his sister. She was in a dark area.

Dayton shooter's friend allegedly bought gunman body armor, 100-round magazine