We should learn from Australia...

Jun 2015
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A blue state
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Australia in 1995 had looser gun laws than that of the United States.

There was no background checks required for any gun purchases. Military style automatic machine guns could be bought at drugstores. Concealed carry was very common, and open carry was legal as well.

The Australia Constitution, Article five, section eight, said "the people of Australia have the right to own firearms and weaponry for their defense and recreation." And the ANFOO, the Australian National Firearms Owners Association, had a million members, and immense wealth.

As expected, gun crime was through the roof. The gun violence rate in Australia in 1994 was the same as that of modern day Mississippi.

Then in 1996, the Port Arthur mass shooting happened. Martin Bryant legally brought a gun into the streets of Port Arthur, as his concealed carry permit allowed him to. He then shot 35 people dead. Two of them had concealed carry permits themselves, and tried firing back, to no avail.

The Australian people decided that they were fed up with gun violence. They didn't go with half measures, like simple background checks. They pulled out ALL the stops.

Their "right to bear arms" was removed from the constitution. Concealed carry and open carry were made illegal. And military style weapons were banned. A licensing system and registry were created. The ANFOO was declared a terrorist organization, disbanded, and it's leaders sentenced to life imprisonment.

And the results: Australia has the lowest crime rate in the entire world.

The US should learn from Australia in that after a massacre, half measures will only serve to embolden the gun lobby.

We should do what Australia did, and go all the way in our quest to prevent future gun violence. The results speak for themselves.
 
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Czernobog

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Well, [MENTION=14095]mtm1963[/MENTION]? Are you going to ridicule Paintmyhouse for "wanting to be like the rest of the world", like you do when any Progressive suggests that another country might have a good idea?
 
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Well, [MENTION=14095]mtm1963[/MENTION]? Are you going to ridicule Paintmyhouse for "wanting to be like the rest of the world", like you do when any Progressive suggests that another country might have a good idea?
Don't bother. He'll just say:

oh? well, the number of Kangaroos in Australia is higher, so that proves their gun laws don't work, hurdurr
 
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What you posted is hooey......

I live in Australia.

But the drugstore purchase is really a hoot, though. Please continue......
 

metheron

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So now if a guy pulls out a gun and starts shooting people in the street, what happens? Would anything be different? What did this law fix?
 
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So now if a guy pulls out a gun and starts shooting people in the street, what happens? Would anything be different? What did this law fix?
Plenty! Besides a murder charge, you get busted for gun law violations!!! :duh:

:smiley_ROFLMAO:
 
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Australia in 1995 had looser gun laws than that of the United States.

There was no background checks required for any gun purchases. Military style automatic machine guns could be bought at drugstores. Concealed carry was very common, and open carry was legal as well.

The Australia Constitution, Article five, section eight, said "the people of Australia have the right to own firearms and weaponry for their defense and recreation." And the ANFOO, the Australian National Firearms Owners Association, had a million members, and immense wealth.

As expected, gun crime was through the roof. The gun violence rate in Australia in 1994 was the same as that of modern day Mississippi.

Then in 1996, the Port Arthur mass shooting happened. Martin Bryant legally brought a gun into the streets of Port Arthur, as his concealed carry permit allowed him to. He then shot 35 people dead. Two of them had concealed carry permits themselves, and tried firing back, to no avail.

The Australian people decided that they were fed up with gun violence. They didn't go with half measures, like simple background checks. They pulled out ALL the stops.

Their "right to bear arms" was removed from the constitution. Concealed carry and open carry were made illegal. And military style weapons were banned. A licensing system and registry were created. The ANFOO was declared a terrorist organization, disbanded, and it's leaders sentenced to life imprisonment.

And the results: Australia has the lowest crime rate in the entire world.

The US should learn from Australia in that after a massacre, half measures will only serve to embolden the gun lobby.

We should do what Australia did, and go all the way in our quest to prevent future gun violence. The results speak for themselves.
Australia does NOT have the lowest crime rate in the entire world. It's not even in the top ten.
Top 10 Countries with the Lowest Recorded Crime Rate
 

BDBoop

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Australia in 1995 had looser gun laws than that of the United States.

There was no background checks required for any gun purchases. Military style automatic machine guns could be bought at drugstores. Concealed carry was very common, and open carry was legal as well.

The Australia Constitution, Article five, section eight, said "the people of Australia have the right to own firearms and weaponry for their defense and recreation." And the ANFOO, the Australian National Firearms Owners Association, had a million members, and immense wealth.

As expected, gun crime was through the roof. The gun violence rate in Australia in 1994 was the same as that of modern day Mississippi.

Then in 1996, the Port Arthur mass shooting happened. Martin Bryant legally brought a gun into the streets of Port Arthur, as his concealed carry permit allowed him to. He then shot 35 people dead. Two of them had concealed carry permits themselves, and tried firing back, to no avail.

The Australian people decided that they were fed up with gun violence. They didn't go with half measures, like simple background checks. They pulled out ALL the stops.

Their "right to bear arms" was removed from the constitution. Concealed carry and open carry were made illegal. And military style weapons were banned. A licensing system and registry were created. The ANFOO was declared a terrorist organization, disbanded, and it's leaders sentenced to life imprisonment.

And the results: Australia has the lowest crime rate in the entire world.

The US should learn from Australia in that after a massacre, half measures will only serve to embolden the gun lobby.

We should do what Australia did, and go all the way in our quest to prevent future gun violence. The results speak for themselves.
Your user name seems familiar. Welcome aboard. :)
 
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The ANFOO was declared a terrorist organization, disbanded, and it's leaders sentenced to life imprisonment.
I was going to start with "lowest crime rate in the world" but someone beat me to that.

But uh....

I'm not an Australian legal expert, but...
 

Babba

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Australia does NOT have the lowest crime rate in the entire world. It's not even in the top ten.
Top 10 Countries with the Lowest Recorded Crime Rate
Maybe not, but this is what did happen when Australia adopted those laws.

So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness.

The paper also estimated that buying back 3,500 guns per 100,000 people results in a 35 to 50 percent decline in the homicide rate, but because of the low number of homicides in Australia normally, this finding isn't statistically significant.

What is significant is the decline the laws caused in the firearm suicide rate, which Leigh and Neill estimate at a 74 percent reduction for a buyback of that size. This is even higher than the overall decline in the suicide rate, because the gun buybacks' speed varied from state to state. In states with quick buybacks, the fall in the suicide rate far exceeded the fall in states with slower buybacks:
Did gun control work in Australia? - The Washington Post
 
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