What are your demands?

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Excerpted:

"Don't be fooled by the complaints that the Occupy Wall Street movement hasn't got a clear set of demands. Everybody in a position of power knows exactly what the people want. They simply don't want to acknowledge it. Because, one issue at a time, the demands all boil down to one thing: we don't want you running the world any more. You're bad at it. Your motives are evil. The future you imagine is a vision of hell.

If I were in charge, I wouldn't want to acknowledge that, either.

It's an old trick: when an angry mob descends on your castle, ask what its demands are. The commoners will argue and bicker and eventually hand up a watered-down set of conditions for not torching the castle. Those can be negotiated down to a few easily-managed, cosmetic modifications to the status quo. Demands met, mob disperses. Nobody's happy, nothing has really changed.

History is rife with examples of this kind of thing. If your rule is met with popular resistance, insist on perfect clarity from the crowd. Get them arguing. Get them turned upon each other. It reinforces your power: they have to negotiate on your terms. The powerful know full well that a vast, systemic program of injustices cannot be opposed by a few bullet points on a list.

As often as not, the people dispense with the list, and bullet points become the points of bullets. Nobody wants that.

It's no surprise that most of the commercial media are ignoring this extraordinary story. They don't want to cover a massive popular mobilization against the powers-that-be in the United States. After all, the powers-that-be are writing their checks.

It was a different thing entirely to report on the Tea Party movement 24 hours a day. Its goals were in perfect keeping with the corporate powers. The Tea Party was easily manipulated, its agendas easily hijacked, because its members weren't for anything. They were just angry, and they would repeat almost any grievance suggested to them by their handlers, from denouncing environmental regulations and taxes on the super-rich, to insisting unions and school teachers were the source of all our problems. The only thing they were for, it seemed, was more wars.

So the Tea Party's membership got wall-to-wall media coverage for over two years. They were able to shoo candidates into office (which turned out to be a disaster for mainstream Republicans) and dominate every news cycle through the 2010 elections. Why? Because, in their nihilistic fury, these people wanted to accelerate the growth of a money-driven authoritarian state. That worked fine for the money-driven authorities."


UPDATE: a list of issues has been released by the New York City General Assembly, the loose leadership of that protest: note that it is not a list of demands.

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Babba

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"Don't be fooled by the complaints that the Occupy Wall Street movement hasn't got a clear set of demands. Everybody in a position of power knows exactly what the people want. They simply don't want to acknowledge it. Because, one issue at a time, the demands all boil down to one thing: we don't want you running the world any more. You're bad at it. Your motives are evil. The future you imagine is a vision of hell.

That's it exactly! They effed up and it's time for them to step back and let the people take control back.
 
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Yep. A good addendum to this is this...

"At the Take Back The American Dream conference session titled "Make Work Pay: Why Empowering Workers & Holding CEO's Accountable is Vital to Economic Growth" Christine Owens of the Nationsal Employers Law Project described to the audience how wages are declining. "Job growth is extremely slow. We have a net deficit over 11 million jobs, and 75% of the jobs that are returning pay between $7.50 and $13.50 an hour."

We are in a very deep hole, and this explains why personal income is falling as well, in the wage and poverty data. Meanwhile corporate CEO pay has exploded.

What we can do is raise the minimum wage, and make employers pay workers what they have promised to pay. The minimum wage is $7.25. It would be close to $10.50 if it kept up with inflation, and 26% of the workforce makes less than %10.50. But all wages are anchored by this minimum - called a "spill up effect." So move it up, and index it to inflation. Even Tea Party members support raising the minimum wage.

Wage theft is when employers impoverish workers by not paying what they had promised to pay. A 2008 survey showed that of low-wage workers a quarter had not been paid the minimum wage and three-quarters had not received overtime pay. For low-wage workers this is a big chunk of what they make.

Robert Weissman of Public Citizen explained that the ratio of top CEO's pay to regular workers was 43 times in 1980 and 340 times in 2010. In many cases these CEOs were paid more than the company paid in federal taxes. In 2009 the top 12% collectively take just short of all national income. The top .4% get 14%. The top .2% are taking 10%. In 2011 departing CEOs are getting on average 724 weeks of severance pay fo reach year of service. Regular workers are lucky if they get a week or two.

A Culture Of High CEO Pay

Weissman explained that the "Lake Woebegon Effect" of setting CEO pay occurs when every CEO thinks they are better than average and should be paid better than average. But it is not related to performance - in many cases as share prices drop, pay goes up. Weissman says CEO pay matters because the CEO pay story is a big part of the cultural shift that has led to the massive increase in inequality. Other CEOs look at the highest-paid CEOs, and feel they should be paid even more. This drives a culture making it permissible for such outrageous inequality to go on.

Weissman said this CEO pay is an incentive to do really bad things, like playing around with stock prices even if it undermines the core health of the company. This helps explain the hollowing out of manufacturing and the real economy. It is a central part of the story of the Wall Street crash. CEOs getting huge returns while the bubble inflated without worrying what happens later on, because they were pocketing the money and someone else will pay for it later. People got away with taking money out of the system and the system crashed.

Damon Silver of the AFL-CIO said CEO pay is supposed to reflect performance, which is supposed to reflect wealth-generation making us all better off. But if you look back to 1964, the apex of performance of the economy, CEO pay relative to regular workers was 24 to 1. Now it is 340 to 1. " .... link
 

anonymous

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Well said Ziti. Corporate greed is unconscionable. I think we are starting to see a turning point for the people. It's going to be a long row to hoe but we will overcome.
 
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Hmm, yes some of it does seem to be up there for shock value...

"Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period."

But some of the other demands like a living wage and protectionist tariffs don't seem so far-fetched.

Personally, I don't know what to make of the protests, I hope they will actually send a message and I am mostly for their cause, I just don't know if it will actually do any good.

"We are the 99%" and it seems to be bi-partisan for the most part, more power to 'em.

Thx :)
 
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"Don't be fooled by the complaints that the Occupy Wall Street movement hasn't got a clear set of demands. Everybody in a position of power knows exactly what the people want. They simply don't want to acknowledge it. Because, one issue at a time, the demands all boil down to one thing: we don't want you running the world any more. You're bad at it. Your motives are evil. The future you imagine is a vision of hell.

That's it exactly! They effed up and it's time for them to step back and let the people take control back.
time for the robots to step back? thank you Yoshimi.