What has Trump done for people who sincerely sought his help?

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So then, black lung disease is just a conspiracy theory propagated by coal mining welfare queens/kings? I've known people who smoked 3 packs a day all their lives and lived into their 90s without lung disease. Does that mean that lung cancer associated with smoking tobacco is also a conspiracy theory?
Well, that is a little extreme. Black lung in SOME cases was treated like Workers Comp and we both know that WC is the most fraudulent program around. I know A LOT of people who have applied for Black Lung who was not awarded benefits as well. The first thing a doctor will tell you...get a good lawyer, same with workers comp. Where in the hell did you remotely interpret conspiracy theory. Guess the echo chamber response would have been better. LOL
 
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Trump voters tend to not look for the government for everything.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." The Left doesn't understand this.
 

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My husbands cousin was just awarded black lung benefits. He barely had 15 years in the mines but smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day and still does. My Dad has over 20 years in and his lungs are perfect at 92 years of age. My cousin has 30 years in and his lungs are fine. The difference, my Dad only smoked for a few years while in the Army and my cousin never smoked in his life. My cousins husband took his benefits in a lump sum and from what I can see, it was very nice. It really depends on how good your lawyer is. I had a uncle who was awarded black lung 20 years ago and he was recently cut off because he is not sick and 80 years old.
When I listened to this report, I got the impression black lung is a given for coal miners.

I'm sure there are many who avoid it. And in the locales where people mine coal, I'm sure smoking is popular in the communities at large. But it would seem to me that black lung works differently from smoking illnesses, in that it's about particulate matter scaring the lungs.

'I Figured It Was Going To Be A Horrible Death, And It Probably Will Be'
 

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Trump voters tend to not look for the government for everything.
Oh yeah?

I hear they HATE Obamacare, but you better not take away their ACA.

Also, there's a really high use of Social Security, Medicare and even Medicaid among the "base." A lot of them just don't like black and brown people getting those benefits because, well, everyone knows those people are lazy.

A musician friend of mine used to be a contract delivery driver for a pharmacy. He'd drive deep into the rural counties, down dirt roads, into trailer parks, delivering high blood pressure medicine and Oxycodone to people happy to get it...basically for free. Then they'd complain about Obama from their free Hooverounds.
 
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Trump voters tend to not look for the government for everything.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." The Left doesn't understand this.
Actually I'd say the opposite is true since it involves red states who uses more tax resources by percentage of population than blue states whether for food stamp's or medical care.
 

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When I listened to this report, I got the impression black lung is a given for coal miners.

I'm sure there are many who avoid it. And in the locales where people mine coal, I'm sure smoking is popular in the communities at large. But it would seem to me that black lung works differently from smoking illnesses, in that it's about particulate matter scaring the lungs.

'I Figured It Was Going To Be A Horrible Death, And It Probably Will Be'
From what I have been told, you have to submit to a biopsy but when you have COPD in the mix, it might be difficult to diagnose. It is not always a given, I have had many relatives denied benefits. Back in the day, smoking was the kiss of death as far as receiving benefits but later on, they moved toward the biopsy but if you miss the spot in the biopsy, the results may come back inconclusive and there is only so much lung tissue that can be taken. You definitely need a lawyer in this case. My cousins husband was denied 3 times before he was awarded and he was 75 when he finally got it. He also has severe emphysema from smoking. I think they gave it to him because they knew that he will not live much longer. Rumor has it, he received 60K as his settlement.
 

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My husbands cousin was just awarded black lung benefits. He barely had 15 years in the mines but smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day and still does. My Dad has over 20 years in and his lungs are perfect at 92 years of age. My cousin has 30 years in and his lungs are fine. The difference, my Dad only smoked for a few years while in the Army and my cousin never smoked in his life. My cousins husband took his benefits in a lump sum and from what I can see, it was very nice. It really depends on how good your lawyer is. I had a uncle who was awarded black lung 20 years ago and he was recently cut off because he is not sick and 80 years old.
Well then coal mines should refuse to hire workers who smoke. Make it a strict policy with testing. I have to wonder why they haven't done this already.

Although getting rid of this disease doesn't make the risk to public health from the cradle to grave pollution caused by coal mining, transportation, processing, burning and waste production any better. All in all, coal is the dirtiest and most destructive form of energy available. IMO encouraging it by giving tax breaks to coal companies and easing regulation and calling it "clean coal" isn't wise, but here we are.
 
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Well then coal mines should refuse to hire workers who smoke. Make it a strict policy with testing. I have to wonder why they haven't done this already.

Although getting rid of this disease doesn't make the risk to public health from the cradle to grave pollution caused by coal mining, transportation, processing, burning and waste production any better. All in all, coal is the dirtiest and most destructive form of energy available. IMO encouraging it by giving tax breaks to coal companies and easing regulation and calling it "clean coal" isn't wise, but here we are.
Coal is just about dead. It will be a non issue in the next 10 years or so. The mines that are still operating are having issues with hiring employees...they can't pass a drug test in W VA and Kentucky...the center of the opioid crisis. I would imagine that we are importing our coal from other Countries at this point. The sad part...it left a lot of poverty behind. I don't enjoy seeing tax payers lose like this. In Kentucky and W VA, I think this is the reason for the opioid crisis in their States....you still have to eat, selling pills replaced coal. I am just glad in my families case, I have only 1 cousin who works in the mines and he was able to send their kids to college so they don't have to dig coal. My Uncles made sure my first cousins were able to go to college by working 7 days a week in a coal mine to pay for it. It is the people aspect that bothers me....we don't have a lot of people who are paying meaningful taxes theses days since the working class is pretty much gone. Being pill dealers and Dollar Store jobs will never replace the tax base and their people are suffering for it.

We are still going to have environmental issues with coal globally, other Countries don't give a shit about clean air and water and will dig as much coal as they can sell. Their working class is increasing while we are losing ours rapidly. If nothing changes with the tax base, the US will not be able to support their safety net programs...as we are seeing in Kentucky. No one cares about the people in the south just like they don't care about the poor who live in the inner cities. Less and less people are going to college...so with automation threats along with environmental threats....I am not sure where people are going to work and pay taxes to support the Country. We should have jumped on replacement jobs with green energy decades ago instead of waiting until we have large pockets of poverty. The US is always a day late and a dollar short and we learn the hard way.
 
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Yes. I think the national media scares them off. Progressives scare them too. Also dont forget there is some overlap between Trumps trade/tariffs and union dems like Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders and Warren. They all were against NAFTA and the TPP. These voters saw those as the biggest threat to them. So they might consider supporting them based on economics.
I think progressives scare them because people like Rush, and Sean tell them they should be scared.

Kind of like tea partiers who didnt want socialist health insurance, but didnt want anyone messing with their medicare either.
 
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I think progressives scare them because people like Rush, and Sean tell them they should be scared.

Kind of like tea partiers who didnt want socialist health insurance, but didnt want anyone messing with their medicare either.
True. I think for non political wonks or people who only vote once every 4 years, all these terms arent really understood. We saw last year Bernie Sanders went to WVA and they loved him. We just saw Elizabeth Warren do it as well and they appeared to like her. I think if we did away with labeling, they might surprise us how they really feel.
 
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