Why Socialists Side With Palestine

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Ok, you're a troll. Got it. I don't even believe in unionism. Why do you need to lie so much? What do you get out of it?
You're an anonymous username who sounds identical to an Australian unionist, emotionally defending a shithouse government department that wastes many, many billions of dollars each year. Union muppets would never admit their position online - they're way too scared, and probably wasting time at work, trolling all day.
 

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You're an anonymous username who sounds identical to an Australian unionist, emotionally defending a shithouse government department that wastes many, many billions of dollars each year. Union muppets would never admit their position online - they're way too scared, and probably wasting time at work, trolling all day.
 
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I'll assume you are asking, “Why did Germans trust Hitler? Was it because he spoke the truth?”

Hitler, like most socialists,
Hitler was no socialist. It's without reality to say so. Such a statement is nonsense.

lied his head off constantly.
Lots of people you call "Socialists" while you thnk about "awful enemies" are completely normal people. One of the most humorous and nice men I know was for example a Commie.

I think Germans thought he was a bad guy
No. Germans thought in many different ways about Hitler. The people who believed in him thought in most cases he's a good guy. If they saw the problems of the 'Third Empire' then they said "If Hitler would know, then this would not happen. He would change it."

who could possibly save them from poverty. Germans were willing to let the devil have the power to do as he wished,
Good grief. What a nonsense. War is always devilish. Also the US-wars are devilish. This means not someone likes to be a devil.

as long as it would somehow bring them the prosperity he promised.
He promised prosperity? Never heard so.

In the end it destroyed their country, cost many millions of lives, hundreds of thousands of buildings, infrastructure, industry, and split the country in half, making half of it a prison run by communist Russians. He promised them prosperity and he gave them a horrible nightmare
What you describe here is the politics of the allies.

– but isn’t that just like socialists? They always deliver a nightmare at the end of the day. It’s the one thing they are extremely good at.
I don't have any idea why you say so. Again: It's nonsense to say so. Try to read the biography of Hitler written from Joachim Fest.

[video=youtube;Cmq18gsn3hc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmq18gsn3hc[/video]
 
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Hitler was no socialist.
Hitler was as much a socialist as it gets.

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

Adolf Hitler May 1, 1927

MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal » Louder With Crowder

It's without reality to say so. Such a statement is nonsense.
People believed bloodletting was a cure for many illnesses for 2000 years. They also believed the sun went around the earth, and this was taught by the church for centuries. Even today one in four Americans believe the sun orbits the earth.

1 In 4 Americans Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth, Survey Says : The Two-Way : NPR

Humans believed many myths for thousands of years. It’s not that hard to fool them for 75 years, especially when the media unite in the making of a lie. Socialists, who control the media and the schools, don’t want you to know that Hitler was a Lefty. Why would they?

Lots of people you call "Socialists" while you thnk about "awful enemies" are completely normal people. One of the most humorous and nice men I know was for example a Commie.
My best friend is a commie. He’s a nice guy. It’s not his fault his father (another nice guy) raised him as a commie. We do not agree about politics, but get along about everything else.

No. Germans thought in many different ways about Hitler. The people who believed in him thought in most cases he's a good guy. If they saw the problems of the 'Third Empire' then they said "If Hitler would know, then this would not happen. He would change it."
When people vote for evil minded socialists, they usually know they are voting for evil minded socialists. Of course they never admit they know this. Thieves rarely admit they’re thieves, and people who vote for thieves rarely admit they’re voting for thieves. Socialists make theft legal, which makes them thieves, and thieves lie. They lie all the time and are very good at it.

This is what happens to an honest thief:

Policeman: Where were you at 9.00 am this morning?
Thief: In Smith Street.
Policeman: Which shop did you go into?
Thief: Wal-Mart.
Policeman: Did you pick up a computer and slip out the back door?
Thief: Er… okay, um… yes.
Policeman: Does this surveillance photo show you with the computer?
Thief: Um… I guess so, yes.
Policeman: You’re under arrest.

Number of lies told: Zero.
Result: Jailed. No chance to steal.

Here is how most thieves would handle it:

Policeman: Where were you at 9.00 am this morning?
Thief: In bed.
Policeman: Weren’t you in Smith Street?
Thief: No way. I hate Smith Street. Why would I go to Smith Street?
Policeman: Don’t bullshit me thief. You went to Smith Street – admit it!
Thief: No way! I was sick in bed. Ask my girlfriend.
Policeman: Crap. You were in Wal-Mart!
Thief: That’s a fucking lie – I never go to Wal-Mart. I hate Wal-Mart.
Policeman: You were in Wal-Mart and you stole a computer.
Thief: That is nonsense. What the hell would I do with a computer? I never use them.
Policeman: You would sell it.
Thief: Where’s your evidence? Huh? Where’s your fucking evidence?
Policeman: You took the computer out the back door.
Thief: I was at home sick in bed! Prove I wasn’t. Go on, prove it!
Policeman: This photo shows you stealing the computer!
Thief: That’s not me! It looks nothing like me!
Policeman: Okay, you can go, but I’m watching you.

Number of lies told: thirteen.
Result: Freedom and a chance to steal again

Good grief. What a nonsense. War is always devilish.
Defensive wars are hardly ‘devilish’. There’s nothing evil about saving children.

Also the US-wars are devilish.
Wrong again. There’s nothing wrong with stopping National Socialists, Communists or Arabs stealing countries or sponsoring terrorism.

He promised prosperity? Never heard so.
Let Me Google That

Larrikin: “In the end it destroyed their country, cost many millions of lives, hundreds of thousands of buildings, infrastructure, industry, and split the country in half, making half of it a prison run by communist Russians. He promised them prosperity and he gave them a horrible nightmare.”

What you describe here is the politics of the allies.
What I described is what your beloved socialist Hitler brought Germany instead of wealth.
 
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Hitler was as much a socialist as it gets.
You can repeat a million time "Hitler was a socialist" and still in a hundred million years you will be wrong to say so. History are facts not wishes.

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

Adolf Hitler May 1, 1927

MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal » Louder With Crowder
Hitler said a lot when a day was long and the longer a day was the more he said. If Hitler said "We are green elephants" then every Nazi was a green elephant.

People believed bloodletting was a cure for many illnesses for 2000 years. They also believed the sun went around the earth, and this was taught by the church for centuries. Even today one in four Americans believe the sun orbits the earth.

1 In 4 Americans Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth, Survey Says : The Two-Way : NPR
"The church" taught a long time in history what Ptolemaeus had found out. You should study what the German Catholic Nicolaus Copernicus found out. And the USA should change something in the education of pupils, if 25% of the citizens of the USA are still on a level of knowledge of a time when the first Europeans reached this continent about 500 years ago.

Humans believed many myths for thousands of years. It’s not that hard to fool them for 75 years, especially when the media unite in the making of a lie. Socialists, who control the media and the schools, don’t want you to know that Hitler was a Lefty. Why would they?
Hitler was a right wing extremist.

My best friend is a commie. He’s a nice guy. It’s not his fault his father (another nice guy) raised him as a commie. We do not agree about politics, but get along about everything else.


When people vote for evil minded socialists, they usually know they are voting for evil minded socialists. Of course they never admit they know this. Thieves rarely admit they’re thieves, and people who vote for thieves rarely admit they’re voting for thieves. Socialists make theft legal, which makes them thieves, and thieves lie. They lie all the time and are very good at it.

This is what happens to an honest thief:

Policeman: Where were you at 9.00 am this morning?
Thief: In Smith Street.
Policeman: Which shop did you go into?
Thief: Wal-Mart.
Policeman: Did you pick up a computer and slip out the back door?
Thief: Er… okay, um… yes.
Policeman: Does this surveillance photo show you with the computer?
Thief: Um… I guess so, yes.
Policeman: You’re under arrest.

Number of lies told: Zero.
Result: Jailed. No chance to steal.

Here is how most thieves would handle it:

Policeman: Where were you at 9.00 am this morning?
Thief: In bed.
Policeman: Weren’t you in Smith Street?
Thief: No way. I hate Smith Street. Why would I go to Smith Street?
Policeman: Don’t bullshit me thief. You went to Smith Street – admit it!
Thief: No way! I was sick in bed. Ask my girlfriend.
Policeman: Crap. You were in Wal-Mart!
Thief: That’s a fucking lie – I never go to Wal-Mart. I hate Wal-Mart.
Policeman: You were in Wal-Mart and you stole a computer.
Thief: That is nonsense. What the hell would I do with a computer? I never use them.
Policeman: You would sell it.
Thief: Where’s your evidence? Huh? Where’s your fucking evidence?
Policeman: You took the computer out the back door.
Thief: I was at home sick in bed! Prove I wasn’t. Go on, prove it!
Policeman: This photo shows you stealing the computer!
Thief: That’s not me! It looks nothing like me!
Policeman: Okay, you can go, but I’m watching you.

Number of lies told: thirteen.
Result: Freedom and a chance to steal again
Sounds idiotic in my ears. Formalisms are anyway not able to produce justice.

Defensive wars are hardly ‘devilish’. There’s nothing evil about saving children.
What a luck that everyone dies on reasons of justice in a defensive war.

Wrong again. There’s nothing wrong with stopping National Socialists, Communists or Arabs stealing countries or sponsoring terrorism.
If you really think so, then it's also not wrong to bomb down world trade centers.

Let Me Google That

Larrikin: “In the end it destroyed their country, cost many millions of lives, hundreds of thousands of buildings, infrastructure, industry, and split the country in half, making half of it a prison run by communist Russians. He promised them prosperity and he gave them a horrible nightmare.”

What I described is what your beloved socialist Hitler brought Germany instead of wealth.
Hitler was not beloved and he was not a socialist. And Hitler spoke normally also not about to bring wealth. And you spoke about the politics of the allies. The allies bombed down Germany. The allies displaced 12 million Germans. The allies defined the borders of Germany. The allies decided to give a giganitc part of Europe under the control of the Soviet Czar Stalin. World war 1 +2 degraded Germany from a chess player to a chess piece in this context. So we had no other chance than to change the rules.

[video=youtube;UrUoJ2vj7ps]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrUoJ2vj7ps[/video]
 
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You can repeat a million time "Hitler was a socialist" and still in a hundred million years you will be wrong to say so. History are facts not wishes.
7 Quotes That Prove Adolf Hitler Was a Proud Socialist

#1. “I have learned a great deal from Marxism”

Hitler may have publicly denounced Marxism, because of his war against the hated Soviet Union, but privately he always admitted that he was at heart a left-winger. He once said to Otto Wagener that the problem with the politicians of the Weimar Republic was that they “had never even read Marx.” He believed that the problem of German Communists was that they didn’t understand the difference between principles and tactics. He referred to them as mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.” He stated plainly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx.


A Soviet Swastika, used by the Red Army in their early days

7 Quotes That Prove Adolf Hitler Was A Proud Socialist


If Hitler said "We are green elephants" then every Nazi was a green elephant.
Green donkeys would be more relevant, since socialist Democrats are in bed with the socialist Greens now.


And the USA should change something in the education of pupils, if 25% of the citizens of the USA are still on a level of knowledge of a time when the first Europeans reached this continent about 500 years ago.
Schools and colleges there and in Australia are just propaganda factories now, for the Left. As long as you vote for the Democrats by the time you leave, you don’t need to know the Earth orbits the sun.


Hitler was a right wing extremist.
#2. [My task is to] “convert the German volk (people) to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists”

Hitler wanted to use the old classical liberal class, the entrepreneurs and the individualist’s resources to build socialism in Germany. Socialism is defined technically as public ownership of the means of production, and instead of doing what Stalin did and purge the capitalists, he committed himself instead to simply confiscating their capital. The economy could easily be controlled simply by dispossessing the capitalist class of their means of production, and guiding their productive capacity through the hands of the state.



7 Quotes That Prove Adolf Hitler Was A Proud Socialist


What a luck that everyone dies on reasons of justice in a defensive war.
Fair suck of the pineapple mate – you’ve gotta save the kids.


If you really think so, then it's also not wrong to bomb down world trade centers.
The majority of animals use self-defense, and indeed, without it, we would not exist. Even your white blood cells wage war against attackers all day long, without you being aware of it. Your leukocytes must be ‘devilish’, eh? How dare they defend you.


Hitler… was not a socialist.
#3. “If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites – and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose.” “How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?”

In a speech in Munich in August 1920, Hitler addressed the National Socialist party on the issues of race and politics. It was widely known that socialists of the time were tied to eugenic policies, as they have throughout history. Indeed, everyone who supported genocide at that time also called themselves socialists.



7 Quotes That Prove Adolf Hitler Was A Proud Socialist


And Hitler spoke normally also not about to bring wealth.
Let Me Google That


And you spoke about the politics of the allies. The allies bombed down Germany. The allies displaced 12 million Germans. The allies defined the borders of Germany. The allies decided to give a giganitc part of Europe under the control of the Soviet Czar Stalin. World war 1 +2 degraded Germany from a chess player to a chess piece in this context. So we had no other chance than to change the rules.
This is what happens when socialists steal countries. It just won’t do. Our response was called ‘self-defense’, ‘precautions’, ‘neutralizing danger’, etc. We didn’t want some other socialist jumping up with a new kind of moustache, twenty years later, to start WWIII, did we? No. Not at all.

Here are some planks from the National Socialist Party’s platform. Hitler endorsed them, and they show the intent of Hitler’s wealth redistribution schemes, as well as his desire for socialism:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

[…]

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.