"Why We Hate" Documentary

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Emotions have a purpose. When you are face to face with a bear, that fear is normal and typically gives the best chance at survival.

Anger, anticipation, all of it happens for a reason.
There’s a difference between fear and panic just like there’s a difference between anger and hate or like and love.

“Blind with rage” is hate. Hate (or Rage) has caused more people to go to jail than love. Anger, less so.

Emotion is part of our animalistic tendencies, but too much emotion blinds our ability to reason, it takes over our higher brain functions. Besides the previously noted “blind with rage” there’s “thinking with your dick” and “the heart wants what it wants”.

Emotions can be overcome with reasoning, but it takes effort and, frankly, those on the backside of the IQ curve can’t do it very well if at all.
 
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Emotions have a purpose. When you are face to face with a bear, that fear is normal and typically gives the best chance at survival.

Anger, anticipation, all of it happens for a reason.
Yes I believe that was their finding.

Even hate is a natural process and those that claim to not hate are not behaving normal. While I believe most people grasp that it was interesting to see it scientifically broken down by experts.
 
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There’s a difference between fear and panic just like there’s a difference between anger and hate or like and love.

“Blind with rage” is hate. Hate (or Rage) has caused more people to go to jail than love. Anger, less so.

Emotion is part of our animalistic tendencies, but too much emotion blinds our ability to reason, it takes over our higher brain functions. Besides the previously noted “blind with rage” there’s “thinking with your dick” and “the heart wants what it wants”.

Emotions can be overcome with reasoning, but it takes effort and, frankly, those on the backside of the IQ curve can’t do it very well if at all.
I actually mostly agree with you here to where it would feel nitpicky.

You are actually completely correct about the lower end of the IQ curve losing ability to control emotions. Koko, that gorilla that knew sign language, still a gorilla and would still fuck someone up if they didn't act right, but in all their conversations, no questions. The gorilla could not conceive that another would have information that koko did not already possess.
 
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Yes I believe that was their finding.

Even hate is a natural process and those that claim to not hate are not behaving normal. While I believe most people grasp that it was interesting to see it scientifically broken down by experts.
That's what I see particularly dangerous about this push to stop "hate speech". It's not that I wanna go screaming n* f* k* etc, not nearly as much as being able to show, in a marketplace of ideas that not only are they incorrect but flawed in their logic as well. It would become foolish to take on those beliefs.

If I remember correctly, the lowest numbers of the KKK happened when everyone knew what they actually believed within the organization.

When the sun shines on the backyard and it looks like shit, it seems a good notice to clean it up type of thing.
 
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There’s a difference between fear and panic just like there’s a difference between anger and hate or like and love.

“Blind with rage” is hate. Hate (or Rage) has caused more people to go to jail than love. Anger, less so.

Emotion is part of our animalistic tendencies, but too much emotion blinds our ability to reason, it takes over our higher brain functions. Besides the previously noted “blind with rage” there’s “thinking with your dick” and “the heart wants what it wants”.

Emotions can be overcome with reasoning, but it takes effort and, frankly, those on the backside of the IQ curve can’t do it very well if at all.
Nobody can learn whilst overwrought.

One point made in this book "The Gift of Fear" is that real fear, in the presence of real danger, both increases perceptions and narrows focus.

When face to face with a homicidal human, the victim's brain doesn't allow a protracted prattle about how unfair it is someone wants to kill you.

But they will hear the sound of a lightbulb zapping out or a gun being cocked.
 
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That's what I see particularly dangerous about this push to stop "hate speech". It's not that I wanna go screaming n* f* k* etc, not nearly as much as being able to show, in a marketplace of ideas that not only are they incorrect but flawed in their logic as well. It would become foolish to take on those beliefs.

If I remember correctly, the lowest numbers of the KKK happened when everyone knew what they actually believed within the organization.

When the sun shines on the backyard and it looks like shit, it seems a good notice to clean it up type of thing.
Question: If you could go back in time and do something to prevent the holocaust, what would you do? Would you try to find a way to stop the Nazi party from taking over Germany? Ideas and speech are just that until they gain momentum & end up wielding authority over people's lives.

Right now we're in a time where people are panicking about socialism taking over the Democratic party even though it's just a few programs candidates want to put into place, like single payer, which in all likelihood won't pass anyway. But the same people who see no harm in white nationalist ideology being spouted publicly are fuming at the idea of socialistic programs becoming normalized and before that they were advocating for stamping out the ideology of radical Islam.

I'm for free speech too, but I think you have to kind of keep your eye on it. Ideas are one thing, lies are something altogether and we've entered the age of it being okay to lie. So if spreading falsehoods & false accusations about individuals or groups in order to get your point across becomes an accepted practice, when people begin acting on these false premises you could end up with a big problem.
 
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Question: If you could go back in time and do something to prevent the holocaust, what would you do? Would you try to find a way to stop the Nazi party from taking over Germany? Ideas and speech are just that until they gain momentum & end up wielding authority over people's lives.

Right now we're in a time where people are panicking about socialism taking over the Democratic party even though it's just a few programs candidates want to put into place, like single payer, which in all likelihood won't pass anyway. But the same people who see no harm in white nationalist ideology being spouted publicly are fuming at the idea of socialistic programs becoming normalized and before that they were advocating for stamping out the ideology of radical Islam.

I'm for free speech too, but I think you have to kind of keep your eye on it. Ideas are one thing, lies are something altogether and we've entered the age of it being okay to lie. So if spreading falsehoods & false accusations about individuals or groups in order to get your point across becomes an accepted practice, when people begin acting on these false premises you could end up with a big problem.
Human behavior can improve by a modest amount.

But it can get worse by an almost bottomless amount.
 
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Nobody can learn whilst overwrought.

One point made in this book "The Gift of Fear" is that real fear, in the presence of real danger, both increases perceptions and narrows focus.

When face to face with a homicidal human, the victim's brain doesn't allow a protracted prattle about how unfair it is someone wants to kill you.

But they will hear the sound of a lightbulb zapping out or a gun being cocked.
Did it explain the role of adrenaline in those instances? People can try to live in a hyper-aware state, but that is hard on the body. If, for example, Trump really is a snorting Adderall quite often, then he’s at greater risk of a stroke and heart attack. Adrenaline-junkies engage in risky behavior to get their adrenaline-fix. Over time the odd could turn against them and they become a statistic.
 
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