Will Trump finish his first term as president?

Will Trump finish his first term as president?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 45.5%
  • No TV for a week

    Votes: 12 54.5%

  • Total voters
    22
Nov 2015
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1,351
UK
You have no way of knowing whether there was collusion or not. But this certainly is suspicious.

Why Would Paul Manafort Share Polling Data with Russia?

And it's just Trump's bad luck that he has surrounded himself with a bunch of crooks and liars, lol.
Trump dealt with the Russians that started umpteen years before the election, Trump has never denied that. Russian bots and social media accounts tried to meddle in the election, Trump always denied any collusion.

And it looks like the investigation will conclude this despite how much the left cling on to their dream. You may use the adjective, "Suspicious" but it was just Trump Derangement Syndrome.
 

Babba

Former Staff
Jul 2007
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Trump dealt with the Russians that started umpteen years before the election, Trump has never denied that. Russian bots and social media accounts tried to meddle in the election, Trump always denied any collusion.

And it looks like the investigation will conclude this despite how much the left cling on to their dream. You may use the adjective, "Suspicious" but it was just Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Yes, Trump has tried to get a Trump Tower in Russia for decades, but he also said he had no dealings with Russia during the campaign and that was a lie.

Details of the proposed Moscow project are still leaking out. On Thursday evening, BuzzFeed reported that talks had advanced to the point where Trump’s company “planned to give a $50 million penthouse at Trump Tower Moscow to Russian President Vladimir Putin as the company negotiated the luxury real estate development during the 2016 campaign, according to four people, one of them the originator of the plan.”

Back in 2013, Trump tweeted about his hopes of building a Trump Tower Moscow, but the fact that these talks were happening during the campaign remained a total secret until after Trump won the presidency. (News of it first broke in August 2017.)

All the while, as his relationship with Putin and business dealings were coming under increased scrutiny, Trump repeatedly claimed things like he had “nothing to do with Russia” and “I know nothing about Russia ... I don’t deal there.

During a news conference held days before his inauguration, Trump said, “I have no dealings with Russia, I have no deals in Russia, I have no deals that could happen in Russia because we’ve stayed away.”

Yet after the Cohen plea this week, Trump rewrote history to claim that “everybody knew” about his secret business dealings with Russia. In tweets posted Friday morning, Trump even characterized his dealings as “very legal & very cool.”

“I talked about it on the campaign trail,” he claimed, falsely, before adding that he “Lightly looked at doing a building somewhere in Russia.”

In tweets posted Thursday evening, Trump hinted at a new line of defense — that even if he didn’t tell the truth about his dealings with Russia, fibbing is not a crime, and therefore the Mueller investigation “is an illegal Hoax that should be ended immediately.”
Trump once said he had "no dealings with Russia." Now he claims "everybody knew" about them.

Now, why would he have lied about it? And it's not just one thing that's suspicious. It's numerous things that are suspicious about the contacts the campaign had with Russia and so many lied about those contacts. Why would they lie if they were doing nothing wrong?

And again, you have no way of know what conclusions Mueller is coming to. How could you?
 
Jul 2013
51,021
54,131
Nashville, TN
Trump dealt with the Russians that started umpteen years before the election, Trump has never denied that. Russian bots and social media accounts tried to meddle in the election, Trump always denied any collusion.

And it looks like the investigation will conclude this despite how much the left cling on to their dream. You may use the adjective, "Suspicious" but it was just Trump Derangement Syndrome.
If a British PM was one tenth as corrupt as Trump, his ass would have been kicked across the channel his first day in office.
 
Feb 2011
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The formerly great golden state
That Trump is a serial liar is manifestly obvious to anyone not drinking the Trump Kool Aid.
That Trump is also a serial adulterer is also obvious.

That said, given the partisan nature of politics, while the House might impeach, the Senate won't convict. All an impeachment would do is create a media circus.

And, should I be wrong, and Trump removed from office, Pence will be running in 2020 as an incumbent.

And Trump will always be a martyr to the "conservative" cause. He'll be like Reagan, not the real Reagan whose administration had its ups and downs, but the demigod Reagan of legend who single handedly brought down the Soviet Union.

So, be careful what you wish for.
 
Nov 2015
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1,351
UK
I think that Trump would accept a plea deal that included his resignation if his kids are indicted. Pence has no presidential immunity, so he could be dealt with directly, assuming that he has been involved in the conspiracy. It's hard to envision how he could have been directly involved in both the campaign and the administration without getting his own hands dirty in the process.
How's his resignation working out?
 
Jul 2013
51,021
54,131
Nashville, TN
If a British PM was one tenth as corrupt as Trump, his ass would have been kicked across the channel his first day in office.
So no crimes, no scandals, no corruption? I didn't say a British PM would be kicked across the channel because the fringe right of the country did not like him...
 
Feb 2010
27,527
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Sunny Bournemouth, Dorset
Trump will probably see out this term, but only because the processes available will take too long to prevent it. He might have a heart attack from his morbid obesity, so it's not altogether bad.
 
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