Will you watch Trump's SOTU speech tonight?

Will you watch Trump's SOTU speech tonight?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • No

    Votes: 14 70.0%

  • Total voters
    20

HayJenn

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Jul 2014
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Your fact checker isn't too keen on facts. Here he chastises for counting jobs from election day, messing with the dates. He then proceeds to cherry pick dates from Obama's record instead of starting at the beginning in order to make a misleading statement. In reality we lost manufacturing jobs under Obama. We had fewer manufacturing jobs when Obama left office than when he started.

"Trump often inflates the number of jobs created under his presidency by counting from Election Day, rather than when he took the oath of office. There have been almost 4.9 million jobs created since January 2017, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, of which 436,000 are manufacturing jobs, according to the BLS.


This is an impressive gain for almost two years; under President Barack Obama, about 900,000 manufacturing jobs were gained over seven years from the 2010 nadir after the Great Recession."

Blatant partisanship, not impartial fact checking.
LOL - in other words, I don't believe in fact's that don't fit my bias.
 

HayJenn

Moderator
Jul 2014
67,578
56,660
CA
Your fact checker is 0 for 2. Wages are higher than 2015 or 2016. Real wages rose 2.9% in 2018. Real wages take inflation into account and so his statement shows a lack of basic understanding.

"It’s worth noting that although real wage gains were higher in 2015 and 2016, that was a period of almost no inflation. So Trump can claim some credit for decent real wage growth now with inflation back at about 2 percent."

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“Nearly 5 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps.”


About 3.6 million people (not nearly 5 million) have stopped receiving food stamps since February 2017 (through Sept 2018)"


0-3 The fact checker didn't fact check Trump's actual statement, and then committed the same sin as Trump by not using the correct dates.

“Nearly 5 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps.”


About 3.6 million people (not nearly 5 million) have stopped receiving food stamps since February 2017 (through Sept 2018)"

“The U.S. economy is growing almost twice as fast today as when I took office, and we are considered far and away the hottest economy anywhere in the world — not even close.”


Trump accurately says the most recent numbers, showing 3.4 percent GDP growth in the third quarter of 2018, are roughly twice the 1.8 percent rate from his first quarter in office."



Fact checker is 0 for 4. Again he didn't fact check Trump's actual statement and then misrepresented the facts by using bogus dates and data.

GDP growth in 2016 was 1.5% and in 2018 it was over 3%.
You never seem to get the economic figures right, you cherry pick them, so there is that too.
 
Jan 2016
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It's right here in the data. We had fewer manufacturing jobs when Obama left office than when he took office.

Why do you depend on some lying opinion writer to provide you with knowledge instead of just looking at the actual data?

All Employees: Manufacturing

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The actual data shows that America GAINED 930,000 manufacturing jobs from the nadir of the labor market in early 2010 to the end of the Obama Presidency.

To BLAME Mr. Obama for the manufacturing job losses of 2009, as you ALWAYS do, is to BLAME Barack Obama for the Great Recession.

Which is ALSO what you ALWAYS try to do.

And is BLISTERINGLY STUPID.
 
Jan 2016
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It's laughable that you don't understand this very basic data that the BLS collects and maintains. The data series on the top is the total number of jobs in America, the data series you are referring to omits jobs in the agricultural and all the millions of self employed people in America.

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The data series on top, the one you profess to prefer, shows that America LOST 251,000 jobs in January 2019!!

You DO understand subtraction, yes? No?

The number for January 2019 from the data series on top is 156694.

The number for December 2018 from the data series on top is 156945.

Here's the subtraction that you evidently don't know how to do: 156694 minus 156945 is equal to NEGATIVE 251,000.

And yet you continue to BRAG about those 304,000 jobs that America 'gained' in January. But that's from the data set that I'VE been telling YOU to use, and that you CONTINUALLY INSIST is the WRONG data set!!!

Man, you are simply BIZARRE!!!
 
Feb 2019
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Thanks for the 'bump'. Found this:

PH is a very left forum hence the amount of Trump hate, more so on his SOTU speech. A CBS poll found 76% agreed with Trump's speech. Looking in from the UK, Democrats celebrate the bad parts of America (illegal immigration, aborting babies etc..).

Can Democrats not for once celebrate the things that Trump has done right on? I suggest those who hate Trump that much and spout their shit, pack their bags and move to South America.