With ironic respect. Should we thank God that religionists are such hypocrites?

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How much or little of the doctrines are you talking about?

What of these?


Should we do like Muslims and have stoning where the general public is force to participate?

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Ah, the old Leviticus arguments. Yes these were written specifically for Levites at that specific time and the requirements at that time for healthy means of sanitation, culture of slavery etc. However, in that we are all children of God, and God is our father. Where it concerns grave matters what would a good father do? Would he not expect the same for all of his children? In terms of sexual behavior, to God it is an abomination to be a homosexual or any type of fornicator no matter who you are. This is an expectation that goes to a person's personal behavior which is applicable then as it is now.

The sarcastic example of Sheen's pig skin analogy. Touching the skin of any dead animal at that time would be quite dangerous, even at this time, depending how long the animal has been dead it can be dangerous. Pigs are animals which wallow not only in mud, but their own feces. In some cases, like in China they built their latrines over the Pigs slops so they could feed on the excrement. ( What a liberal today might call sustainable and green.) Therefore, very dangerous.

BTW, the Washington Red Skins play with a football that is made of cow hide and has an internal vulcanized rubber bladder for inflation. The rubber bladder being invented in the 1860's. Old foot balls were made with pig's bladders or other animal bladders as an inflator. Hide was used on the outside. Of course this was the 1800's sanitation was at a completely different place. The footballs the Red Skins play with today go through quite a process to cure the leather which is the cover of a foot ball. Cow hide not pig. So much for the alcoholic, Sheen's uneducated retorts.
 
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Everyone is guided by fear, not morals.
Indeed. The most insecure instincts on the planet would not do otherwise.

Said another way.
True, as we should be according to our selfish gene, but intelligent moral adults these days can get past there basic tribal natures, which are fear driven, and let their morals, reason and logic guide them instead of their fears.

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Ah, the old Leviticus arguments. Yes these were written specifically for Levites at that specific time and the requirements at that time for healthy means of sanitation, culture of slavery etc. However, in that we are all children of God, and God is our father. Where it concerns grave matters what would a good father do? Would he not expect the same for all of his children? In terms of sexual behavior, to God it is an abomination to be a homosexual or any type of fornicator no matter who you are. This is an expectation that goes to a person's personal behavior which is applicable then as it is now.

The sarcastic example of Sheen's pig skin analogy. Touching the skin of any dead animal at that time would be quite dangerous, even at this time, depending how long the animal has been dead it can be dangerous. Pigs are animals which wallow not only in mud, but their own feces. In some cases, like in China they built their latrines over the Pigs slops so they could feed on the excrement. ( What a liberal today might call sustainable and green.) Therefore, very dangerous.

BTW, the Washington Red Skins play with a football that is made of cow hide and has an internal vulcanized rubber bladder for inflation. The rubber bladder being invented in the 1860's. Old foot balls were made with pig's bladders or other animal bladders as an inflator. Hide was used on the outside. Of course this was the 1800's sanitation was at a completely different place. The footballs the Red Skins play with today go through quite a process to cure the leather which is the cover of a foot ball. Cow hide not pig. So much for the alcoholic, Sheen's uneducated retorts.
So instead of amending your initial idiocy, you attack the messenger.

If the laws of the old immoral Gods was worthy, secular law would have them in place.

The only worthy religions are those that put man above imaginary Gods.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

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Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

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So instead of amending your initial idiocy, you attack the messenger.

If the laws of the old immoral Gods was worthy, secular law would have them in place.

The only worthy religions are those that put man above imaginary Gods.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

The Theft of Our Values - Top Documentary Films


Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

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DL
Seems one is being hypocritical in terms of attacking the messenger. Why must I endure the disingenuous tactics of the passive/aggressive? When one uses that which they do not believe (the Bible, divinely inspired doctrine) as support for their argument has lost at the outset. If you quote Jesus from the text of that which you criticize you contradict yourself. You judge a religion based on your beliefs and condemn it as a whole and yet you borrow it's name.

Christianity is the belief in the only one true God. Jesus is the only path to that God. One cannot blend Christianity with other belief systems which fall outside of the God's word given un to man by God who then penned the doctrine of the Holy Bible. Humanity based religions are the inspirations of man not God. Christianity is the faith in a savior whom trod the Earth as a man. A God who created man in his image.

Revelation:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

People speak of the Bible adjusting to these "modern times". For example, to accept homosexuality as though it is not an abomination when it is clearly written as such in the Bible. Does this mean that homosexuals should be attacked by Christians? Absolutely not. Any Christian who would do so is not living according to the doctrine of the Bible. Should a Christian offer the word of the Bible to those who are homosexual. Of course for as long as they would hear. Were one to continue in that vein when it is not longer wanted, is not following the doctrine. Any type of fornication straight or otherwise is an abomination.

How can the promise of eternal life be so if the words of the Bible themselves are not eternal? There is no "modern times" to an eternal word.

Would Jesus, in his effort to save as many as those who would be chosen, condemn Christianity as a whole for those who do not live as Christians? Should all men be guilty for the crime of the one?

Some would say that Christians who offer the words of the Bible to inform those that what they do against those words is wrong, do not judge. Judging is not in their purview, but God's. One who offers sage advice to the best of their ability is not judging. Judgement comes just before punishment. The same is true in our legal system. For example, If a person is first caught or witnessed doing a crime. They are investigated and if the findings of that investigation, the facts, warrant an arrest they are brought before a court under the presumption of innocence to refute the charges. If they are judged to be innocent by either a jury or a Judge they are free to go. If they are judged to be guilty, only then are they punished. To tell someone that it is illegal to steal according to our laws is offering advice not to. For person pass judgment and impose a punishment without affording one due process under the law is also committing a crime.
 
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the Bible, divinely inspired doctrine)
Any who believe such B.S. are not worthy of respect.

Should all men be guilty for the crime of the one?
Yes. That is why Gnostic Christianity is a Universalist religion and why Christianity is not.

I hope you can dither out the logic after you answer this simple question.

Who effected Hitler's mental development into his ideas and why did Hitler become what he ended being?
Should those who made him that way also be punished?

The answer is yes, so why do you think a Gnostic Christian would forgive Hitler and send him to heaven with all the rest of us?

Could it be because we are all contributing to all that we all are?

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Any who believe such B.S. are not worthy of respect.



Yes. That is why Gnostic Christianity is a Universalist religion and why Christianity is not.

I hope you can dither out the logic after you answer this simple question.

Who effected Hitler's mental development into his ideas and why did Hitler become what he ended being?
Should those who made him that way also be punished?

The answer is yes, so why do you think a Gnostic Christian would forgive Hitler and send him to heaven with all the rest of us?

Could it be because we are all contributing to all that we all are?

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DL
Christianity does not leave who should or should not be punished up to man but God. Only he knows all. We do not or may not ever know whether or not if Hitler is forgiven. That is not in man's purview.

And that Gnostic Christianity is s Universalist religion is why many are called but few are chosen.
 
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Faith based garbage that I reject out of hand.

Christianity does not leave who should or should not be punished up to man but God.
So you think a judge whose first judgement was him asking for a bribe or sacrifice to reverse his usual justice of punishing the guilty to punishing the innocent. Are you insane to trust a corrupt God/Judge?

And that Gnostic Christianity is s Universalist religion is why many are called but few are chosen.
Just like Christianity.

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results.

Did you hear the call?

I have admitted to apotheosis have you?

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Faith based garbage that I reject out of hand.



So you think a judge whose first judgement was him asking for a bribe or sacrifice to reverse his usual justice of punishing the guilty to punishing the innocent. Are you insane to trust a corrupt God/Judge?



Just like Christianity.

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results.

Did you hear the call?

I have admitted to apotheosis have you?

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DL
There is but one path.
 

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